zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 19, 2020 16:07:55 GMT
Theres really nothing else to argue. Here's the rule wilee broke: Discord: 6. If I, or any of the discord staff, find that you have dox’d or ddos’d anyone in the community, you will be banned. Even if you discuss doing so, you’re out of luck when it comes to staying in this server. Oh, also you will be banned from everywhere else too Nathan was apart of the discord when this happened. Admin conduct policy: e. Doxing any member of the Total Freedom community or using Total Freedom's platforms as a means to spread a DOX. "any member" is inclusive of anyone who has joined a totalfreedom platform, which nathan has done. These are the rules. We are supposed to, as admins, enforce the rules. If you feel the rules are bad, then suggest a change. It's oddly convenient that you first tried to argue for his ban by using the server conduct policy, then when that went down the shitter you switch to using the Discord rules now. Server policy should automatically override any conflicts with the Discord and/or the forum policies. A new player joins the server, doesn't read the Discord rules because that is not required, and gets banned for violating a DISCORD rule is a very real scenario. No, you are simply trying to twist words. Member means you are a part of a group, not that you have been excluded (permbanned) from said group. Per your own definition Nathaniel was no longer a member. Those are the rules yes, but you don't want to follow them. If you want to ban a player for a rule that is not in use, then make a suggestion for it. Where did i argue for his ban by using the server conduct policy, please show me. the general conduct policy does not override any policy, they overlap. you are not in a position of power to say server policy automatically overrides any conflicts. No that is not a real scenario that happens. No, "any member" is inclusive of anyone who has joined a totalfreedom platform, which nathan has done.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jul 19, 2020 16:08:04 GMT
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Post by zekurt on Jul 19, 2020 16:10:00 GMT
Common sense would say that the constitution of the server (conduct policy) would override any conflicting policies. You are not required to have a Discord user in order to play on Total Freedom, the MINECRAFT server. Common sense says that if you're a member of the discord server, you're subject to its rules.
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:15:46 GMT
Common sense would say that the constitution of the server (conduct policy) would override any conflicting policies. You are not required to have a Discord user in order to play on Total Freedom, the MINECRAFT server. Common sense says that if you're a member of the discord server, you're subject to its rules Common sense says that if you are excluded from said community, then you are not a part of said community.
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:18:54 GMT
zeseryuMove the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama.
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Post by fionn on Jul 19, 2020 16:19:39 GMT
zeseryu Move the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama. Except this thread is exactly that?
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:21:37 GMT
zeseryu Move the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama. Except this thread is exactly that? I had no intentions of stirring up drama, as can be seen in the OP and also all of my comments on these threads. I merely wanted to continue the conversation until the thread got hijacked and only AFTER was moved to spam and drama. How hypocritical of the sanctimonious Admins - they bitch and moan about the rest of the Admin base being unserious and that Ops should also be respected, and now they censor opposing viewpoints by thread hijacking and literal censorship by removing the threads.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 19, 2020 16:24:28 GMT
zeseryu Move the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama. Nothing said in this thread will effect wilees ban appeal. This is a pointless thread that you posted to just continue the argument. If you want to further discuss it, do it via pms. Nobody wants to see 10+ pages of bickering when its quite obvious no side is going to "win"
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Post by zekurt on Jul 19, 2020 16:25:00 GMT
Common sense says that if you're a member of the discord server, you're subject to its rules Common sense says that if you are excluded from said community, then you are not a part of said community. He was not excluded from the discord server. He was a part of the community.
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:27:32 GMT
Common sense says that if you are excluded from said community, then you are not a part of said community. He was not excluded from the discord server. He was a part of the community. He was excluded from the Total Freedom Server community by being permbanned on the server, and if you are going by the conduct policy, he is therefore no longer considered an op.
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Post by mattlawn on Jul 19, 2020 16:27:42 GMT
Theres really nothing else to argue. Here's the rule wilee broke: Discord: 6. If I, or any of the discord staff, find that you have dox’d or ddos’d anyone in the community, you will be banned. Even if you discuss doing so, you’re out of luck when it comes to staying in this server. Oh, also you will be banned from everywhere else too Nathan was apart of the discord when this happened. Admin conduct policy: e. Doxing any member of the Total Freedom community or using Total Freedom's platforms as a means to spread a DOX. "any member" is inclusive of anyone who has joined a totalfreedom platform, which nathan has done. These are the rules. We are supposed to, as admins, enforce the rules. If you feel the rules are bad, then suggest a change. this
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Post by zekurt on Jul 19, 2020 16:28:18 GMT
He was not excluded from the discord server. He was a part of the community. He was excluded from the Total Freedom Server community by being permbanned on the server, and if you are going by the conduct policy, he is therefore no longer considered an op. We're obviously going by the discord conduct. Which both members were apart of, thus protected and binded by its rules.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jul 19, 2020 16:28:21 GMT
zeseryu Move the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama. Nothing said in this thread will effect wilees ban appeal. This is a pointless thread that you posted to just continue the argument. If you want to further discuss it, do it via pms. Nobody wants to see 10+ pages of bickering when its quite obvious no side is going to "win" congrats on ur 1000th post bro
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:29:15 GMT
He was excluded from the Total Freedom Server community by being permbanned on the server, and if you are going by the conduct policy, he is therefore no longer considered an op. We're obviously going by the discord conduct. Which both members were apart of, thus protected and binded by its rules. except the Discord rule set would be null and void if you take into account that not all members are required to abide by it.
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miwo
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Post by miwo on Jul 19, 2020 16:30:24 GMT
zeseryu Move the thread back into general discussion instead of spam and drama. Nothing said in this thread will effect wilees ban appeal. This is a pointless thread that you posted to just continue the argument. If you want to further discuss it, do it via pms. Nobody wants to see 10+ pages of bickering when its quite obvious no side is going to "win" I don't care that nothing will affect the outcome of Wilee's appeal. I want to have the discussion on whether or not his ban was legitimate and what to do in the future. This is not a pointless thread because I literally just stated the point. if you don't want to engage in the discussion, then don't.
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