Geek
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Post by Geek on Jul 16, 2020 22:25:08 GMT
I have read this appeal in full and considered what Wilee has said carefully.
Having read Wilee's argument, I note that if he wishes to liken this to a court, that precedents are set all the time in courts (in fact, the question 'is a permbanned player a member of the community' is the style of question that may be decided by a court). If we want to go down this path and take the analogy further, then it is logical that our "court" is internal affairs! Regardless, this digresses from the matter at hand.
I feel uneasy about supporting Wilee's return. I believe that there is a real risk of Wilee performing the same act, or a similar act, if unbanned. Even if he doesn't believe the server deserves an apology, does he believe that Nathaniel deserves one?
I object.
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 22:27:57 GMT
I object for Darth's reasonings, he has not owned up to what he did, nor apologized to anyone What he did wasn't against the conduct policy, and why should he apologize for trying to help somebody? |
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 22:29:55 GMT
I feel uneasy about supporting Wilee's return. I believe that there is a real risk of Wilee performing the same act, or a similar act, if unbanned. Even if he doesn't believe the server deserves an apology, does he believe that Nathaniel deserves one? No you dont - you merely dont want him back because of your ill feelings towards him. |
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 16, 2020 22:33:34 GMT
Nah doxxing isnt cool. Object
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 22:34:46 GMT
Nah doxxing isnt cool. Object Wanting a user permbanned for a non-existant rule isn't cool. |
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Post by zekurt on Jul 16, 2020 22:35:05 GMT
Object for tozzits reasons
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Post by zekurt on Jul 16, 2020 22:35:54 GMT
I feel uneasy about supporting Wilee's return. I believe that there is a real risk of Wilee performing the same act, or a similar act, if unbanned. Even if he doesn't believe the server deserves an apology, does he believe that Nathaniel deserves one? No you dont - you merely dont want him back because of your ill feelings towards him. You have no proof for this so all it is is a personal attack. |
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 16, 2020 22:36:38 GMT
Nah doxxing isnt cool. Object Wanting a user permbanned for a non-existant rule isn't cool. We have rules against doxxing members, which is why he was banned in case you didn't know! |
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Geek
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Post by Geek on Jul 16, 2020 22:38:08 GMT
I feel uneasy about supporting Wilee's return. I believe that there is a real risk of Wilee performing the same act, or a similar act, if unbanned. Even if he doesn't believe the server deserves an apology, does he believe that Nathaniel deserves one? No you dont - you merely dont want him back because of your ill feelings towards him. Nonsense. I have no particular feelings either way to him as a person. If a person does something wrong and still doesn't believe it is unacceptable, then why on earth would I believe he isn't going to do the same thing again, relying on the same defence? |
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 16, 2020 22:42:47 GMT
Here are the possible scenarios I see:
A. Wilee is being ignorant deliberately and just wants a way out.
B. Wilee is correct and Video's apology was unnecessary.
C. Video should have been held to a higher standard because he was a senior admin and Wilee was an ex-senior and therefore classifies as an op.
I'm seeing it as scenario A because for someone who has been in this community for almost 9 years and has been a senior admin at one point should know that passing around personal information is a bad idea. Video realised this and thus his apology and regret. And I can tell you that the "its not against the rules" thing is invalid because it does say "publishing" very clearly in rule 1c which by definition would include uploading data to Discord's servers and publishing it to another user via a direct message. Even if that's not enough and it does manage to escape being a 1c violation, because if Nathan were to ever find out he could feel utterly mortified that his personal information was being passed around people that he only knew on the internet which could be considered a 1n violation if Nathan felt harassed and because Nathan has some affiliation with this community and Wilee knew Nathan through TF it now begins to have an affiliation with the community.
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 16, 2020 22:45:37 GMT
Wanting a user permbanned for a non-existant rule isn't cool. We have rules against doxxing members, which is why he was banned in case you didn't know! Someone permbanned from the server isn't a member of the server. Never has been that way, if this is the case then half the seniors need to be purged. |
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Post by zekurt on Jul 16, 2020 22:47:21 GMT
We have rules against doxxing members, which is why he was banned in case you didn't know! Someone permbanned from the server isn't a member of the server. Never has been that way, if this is the case then half the seniors need to be purged. This has already been discussed, the cases of the seniors who need to be purged should be reported to IA if it's as important as you and wilee claim it to be. In this thread, it's whataboutism and irrelevant. As of now, the communities interpretation of the policy is fairly unanimous. |
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Post by Gommeh on Jul 16, 2020 22:47:52 GMT
Object for reasons above. If you post an apology that seems genuine to me maybe, just maybe I’ll go neutral. But until then, object.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 16, 2020 22:48:56 GMT
We have rules against doxxing members, which is why he was banned in case you didn't know! Someone permbanned from the server isn't a member of the server. Never has been that way, if this is the case then half the seniors need to be purged. False, they are a permbanned member. Im also pretty sure this happened when Nathan was still in the discord, which does make him just a general member of TF. Whataboutism? i think? dont know the term for it. If you want to submit the report of the senior admins who need to be banned, then go ahead. I have no knowledge of that |
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 16, 2020 22:54:40 GMT
Someone permbanned from the server isn't a member of the server. Never has been that way, if this is the case then half the seniors need to be purged. This has already been discussed, the cases of the seniors who need to be purged should be reported to IA if it's as important as you and wilee claim it to be. In this thread, it's whataboutism and irrelevant. As of now, the communities interpretation of the policy is fairly unanimous. It's not whataboutism though kurt, when you and I logged into VJ's accounts and publicly shared the materials found in those accounts were we punished in anyway whatsoever? The answer is no, because VJ was not a member of the community as he was permbanned and therefore there was no repercussions for off server behaviour. Pointing to a clear example which was actually much, much worse than the one that happened involving Wilee and Video is showing the past precedence which Wilee was operating on when he made the decision to do so. We both know that VJ's dox was shared a fuck ton, we both know that we both were involved in doing that. If this is what the rules say, then we should be permbanned for that action. The rules haven't changed, they were the same then as they are now. This is a response to zeseryu as well since you both said the exact same things. |
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