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Post by mibbzz on Jul 16, 2020 21:03:57 GMT
The intent of the actions, to my knowledge, was to try and help someone. He's not apologizing, because what he wrote isn't about his actions and instead the way in which he was banned. He is not asking for forgiveness, he's highlighting the fact that he was permbanned for a rule that has never existed before. How exactly is someone who is banned from the server considered a player? This wasn't the case when half the admin team spread around Savnith's dox, or when multiple admins hacked VJ's accounts and doxed him as well. In these cases, they were permbanned ex-members of the community and there was no direct ban of the people doxing them because it was actions outside of the server. What about when admins used to have skype calls where we would prank call companies, these were actions outside of the server and not things we were punished for. I've seen plenty of people who I know for a fact have engaged in this behaviour agreeing that Wilee should be banned, and that's just plain hypocrisy.
If Wilee is to stay banned, then you need to ban wayyyyy more people as well. If you're enforcing the rules of the server against people for their actions outside of the server, then you need to ban me 10000x over, and pretty sure you would need to ban yourself Seth.
A bullshit ban doesn't deserve an apology. Obvious vouch he should be unbanned, and anyone objecting because he "he wrote a lot LOL" should stop making themselves look so r______d.
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Post by mattlawn on Jul 16, 2020 21:04:52 GMT
Object. Video has taken responsibility here. I don't even see a simple "I'm sorry" in his appeal. I'll vouch when Polaris admits he did wrong and apologizes for it, not before then. this is how i feel also object
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 16, 2020 21:04:56 GMT
Objection. Just before his forum permban was issued around 2-3 weeks ago he was being very ignorant and trying to dig out loopholes in the conduct policy. He had the option of being open and if he had done this I'd have given a chance to move on like I did with Video but considering Wilee was completely ignorant and trying to find any excuse he can to act like it was never a problem makes me think that he has not learnt his lesson. I doesn't matter that he's been here since 2011, everyone should be treated the same and fairly regardless of how long they've been a part of the community. If he acknowledges that he was in the wrong and wishes to move on like Video did then I will be glad to give him another chance otherwise his actions will never be in the past.
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Post by 97 on Jul 16, 2020 21:19:00 GMT
A simple object from me.
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Post by Luke on Jul 16, 2020 21:24:19 GMT
Object, did exactly what I knew he was gonna do: bend around the fact that he fucked up and goes on to explain how he was wrongfully permbanned for doxing a member of the community. Didn't even bother to apologize. object for this
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Post by ginlang on Jul 16, 2020 21:30:55 GMT
He's not apologizing, because what he wrote isn't about his actions and instead the way in which he was banned Then why is he appealing if he's not gonna apologise or atleast say that he fucked up? he's highlighting the fact that he was permbanned for a rule that has never existed before I haven't read the whole suspension thread but didnt he dox a member of the community? What about when admins used to have skype calls where we would prank call companies Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't illegal, I mean I don't think it is in the UK anyways A bullshit ban doesn't deserve an apology It wasn't bullshit?
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 21:34:14 GMT
Object, did exactly what I knew he was gonna do: bend around the fact that he fucked up and goes on to explain how he was wrongfully permbanned for doxing a member of the community. Didn't even bother to apologize. He was wrongfully permbanned. Feel free to actually dispute any of his points. Obvious vouch
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Post by Alco RS11 on Jul 16, 2020 21:36:58 GMT
I Vouch.
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 21:37:19 GMT
He's not apologizing, because what he wrote isn't about his actions and instead the way in which he was banned Then why is he appealing if he's not gonna apologise or atleast say that he fucked up? he's highlighting the fact that he was permbanned for a rule that has never existed before I haven't read the whole suspension thread but didnt he dox a member of the community? What about when admins used to have skype calls where we would prank call companies Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't illegal, I mean I don't think it is in the UK anyways A bullshit ban doesn't deserve an apology It wasn't bullshit? Hes appealing because his permban is unwarranted and displays a clear case of abuse from the Admin staff, and most if not all whom have objected thus far with no actual counter points to anything Wilee said. You are a joke if you think that bending the rules to your liking isnt a clear case of Admin abuse.
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 21:39:16 GMT
I'm not gonna read this whole section of the bible, he don't take responsibility like he should but instead tried to argue his way out of it. Object. You sound retarded - "im gonna ignore the entirety of the appeal and object"
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Post by miwo on Jul 16, 2020 21:41:07 GMT
Neutral. as i said on videos appeal i know that this was purely to try get the kid in question some help. and not a full on release publically. in which i cant object here if im going to vouch for video. that being said. this appeal is bad. i dont need a fucking essay to convince me that you're ready to come back. like legit you just need to say that you gathered info on another person that was part of this community and apologiesed for it because even in this context its pretty messed up. and what would be the point of vouching if you dont come on the server either Hes forum banned. Also, why is it bad if he is only disputing the (ludicrous) reasoning behind his (invalid) permban?
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Post by burger on Jul 16, 2020 21:42:14 GMT
Vouch
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Post by ?? MrPerson660 ?? on Jul 16, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
I object. He's trying to skirt around the fact that what he did was wrong, and is refusing to acknowledge the significance of what he did. Instead, he's trying to lawyer himself out.
His establishment in this community does not matter, he simply does not deserve to be released early.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 16, 2020 22:22:14 GMT
I object for Darth's reasonings, he has not owned up to what he did, nor apologized to anyone
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mibbzz
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 16, 2020 22:22:36 GMT
Then why is he appealing if he's not gonna apologise or atleast say that he fucked up? Because he's asserting on why the ban was illegitimate, and appealing on the basis of his ban not being legitimate. He's not going to apologize, nor say he fucked up, because he didn't fuck up. He was operating within the rule set of this server as had been established for years before even you joined. I haven't read the whole suspension thread but didnt he dox a member of the community? He provided information about a user who is completely banned from TF. They're not a member of the community, and we have tons of precedence on the fact that permbanned individuals are not considered members of the community. If I posted VJ's dox right now would I get permbanned, or is the fact I have his dox enough to permban me? Where exactly does this new rule, which isn't even a rule, extend to? Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't illegal, I mean I don't think it is in the UK anyways A lot of the prank calls were illegal, but that aside nothing Wilee did was illegal either. Providing information on someone is not a crime. This topic isn't about doing something illegal. Going against years of established precendence on what constitutes on server and off server behaviour is bullshit. If you call someone the n word in a video game will you get banned now because that's hate speech, which the server has taken a stand against, and we're apparently enforcing off server behaviour. At least 15 seniors I can think of off the top of my head need to lose their ranks as well, which isn't going to happen because this is bullshit.
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