Lionnco
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Lemon
Apr 27, 2020 20:35:19 GMT
Post by Lionnco on Apr 27, 2020 20:35:19 GMT
either way can we just lock this thread and take discussion elsewhere because its been derailed can't do anything : (
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miwo
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Apr 27, 2020 21:05:51 GMT
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Post by miwo on Apr 27, 2020 21:05:51 GMT
I never implied that? Perhaps you should take a breather instead of taking offence to a simple question. Ah so you just randomly decided to bring up vote tempering, with no implied implication? Good to know your comment was completely irrelevant them. So wanting to clarify something relevant to the topic is irrelevant? Good to know you are such a tough guy
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Wild1145
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Lemon
Apr 27, 2020 21:26:51 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:26:51 GMT
I think you'll find my comment was you were investigating this before the thread. Nothing more. If you bothered to read it before thinking "Ahh yes I can shit on a player, that works for me" then you would have realized that. I have voiced my objections to the whole IA Scheme, I still think it's just as bad an idea as I did when you had the thread about it, so I will continue to voice those objections, and your post here just continues to further support that. You make clear that it's a handful of people making decisions impacting a far wider reach than just the few of you, and I continue to believe it is not your place to do that and should never have been. I unfortunately do have a deep disconnect to this server now, it's what happens when people back stab you time and time again and then create schemes like this to pretend the server is sunshine and rainbows... These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership. If people came up with good suggestions, I'd agree with them, but unfortunately I spend more of my time having to defend my view point from people such as yourself that don't read posts properly instead of being able to actually try and achieve anything constructive. If you want to continue to parade around like you're the big I AM and investigate shit that's now old, why not investigate this, because you all wanted to cover it up at the time. mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. edit: and as sks said, it's a fucking poll? Doesn't make it right, shows exactly the type of shit that this server has become known for, back stabbing and stirring shit. I sat on it for a year, I don't really care what you or anyone else was thinking, it was still a calculated back-stabbing way to try and get rid of me, and as I said at the time, someone could have just had a conversation rather than this. Just continues to prove the points I've made time and time again.
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Wild1145
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Lemon
Apr 27, 2020 21:28:25 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:28:25 GMT
There is a difference between investigating current abuse, and a witch hunt... I don't think it's their place to even investigate such things, but ignoring that, why go for something 8 months old... Just feels like people should find something better to do. If you bothered to read through the initial thread Video posted you will find many people agree that there should be punishments dealt out. You can't just say it happened 8 months ago its okay now, if you do bad things you should get punished its really that simple. Also not the point I was making, my point is there are no lines being drawn here, you're saying because it happened 8 months ago it's fine to investigate, so how far back do you want to go? And if Seth and others can 'Change' over a few months you're saying people like Lemon couldn't? My point here is you're writing a rule book as you go and frankly that's a dangerous line for the community.
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Wild1145
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Lemon
Apr 27, 2020 21:30:06 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:30:06 GMT
These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership The current clicky group is a group of friends with Seth. This is public knowledge. After leaks came from within the 'click' that was running TF, IA investigated it which resulted in a few of these click members resigning or being suspended. The wording of "handful of people making decisions" is not implying that IA is the elite running things, but that IA has been built up specifically to prevent exactly that. IA has already proven that it is capable of doing what it promised. If you don't think IA should be investigating anything at all, well then that's too bad. The poll disagreed with you. Now the focus is on allowing IA to do its best to prevent click groups from owning the server. You kinda prove my point though, if people in this click group are the ones investigating, it just is a recipe for new coverups that we will never discover. And are you implying I'm not allowed to express my view that this is a shit idea because it's a policy? Just because people agreed with it doesn't mean everyone does. That's kinda a natural part of this democracy y'all are claiming to love.
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Wild1145
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Lemon
Apr 27, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you. Never argued that it was a vote, I argue with how it came to be in the first place, and I think it just shows how far the server has fallen. The majority of people using the server regularly actually quite liked the way I ran things, and those that didn't tended to not like it because I'd call them out on their bullshit, based on your replies to me, I presume you were one of those people who I thought was full of shit. My point now was the same as it was to Seth, nobody chose to have an Adult conversation, and instead you all went off back-stabbing me and other people to get what you wanted. Unfortunately it is people like you that bring the worst out in this server, and frankly make those of us that still wanted to stick around to try and enjoy the community that was here, realise that is now long since dead, and been replaced with bickering children with nothing better to do than put other people down because it makes them feel better. I hope you're proud of yourself, because what you stand for on this server is the reason it is declining in popularity.
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zeseryu
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Apr 27, 2020 21:33:55 GMT
Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 21:33:55 GMT
If you bothered to read through the initial thread Video posted you will find many people agree that there should be punishments dealt out. You can't just say it happened 8 months ago its okay now, if you do bad things you should get punished its really that simple. Also not the point I was making, my point is there are no lines being drawn here, you're saying because it happened 8 months ago it's fine to investigate, so how far back do you want to go? And if Seth and others can 'Change' over a few months you're saying people like Lemon couldn't? My point here is you're writing a rule book as you go and frankly that's a dangerous line for the community. We work for the community of Total Freedom. We were given the information by Video and asked to pursue it. If someone has an issue with it, i don't see a problem with going back in time. That's what we, the IA team, are here to do. If seth was a normal admin I would have suspended him. He is the owner however, and he pays the bills. Seth has come out and apologized, lemon does not take accountability for his actions.
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Apr 27, 2020 21:35:23 GMT
Post by square on Apr 27, 2020 21:35:23 GMT
mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. edit: and as sks said, it's a fucking poll? Doesn't make it right, shows exactly the type of shit that this server has become known for, back stabbing and stirring shit. I sat on it for a year, I don't really care what you or anyone else was thinking, it was still a calculated back-stabbing way to try and get rid of me, and as I said at the time, someone could have just had a conversation rather than this. Just continues to prove the points I've made time and time again. "Doesn't make it right, shows exactly the type of shit that this server has become known for, back stabbing and stirring shit."not really backstabbing, seth just asked me to make a thread which i agreed upon and was a PUBLIC VOTE. if you really disliked about how the poll was made, you could've contacted seth to sort it out at the time. yes it does make it right because by no means did seth influence my opinion on you or you being the owner of the discord. "it was still a calculated back-stabbing way to try and get rid of me "yikes, are we not allowed to create a public poll based on our opinion and it not be backstabbing? i did not have a friendly relationship with you at the time either so i don't know why you're portraying it as backstabbing.
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Apr 27, 2020 21:36:50 GMT
Post by Darth on Apr 27, 2020 21:36:50 GMT
Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you. Never argued that it was a vote, I argue with how it came to be in the first place, and I think it just shows how far the server has fallen. The majority of people using the server regularly actually quite liked the way I ran things, and those that didn't tended to not like it because I'd call them out on their bullshit, based on your replies to me, I presume you were one of those people who I thought was full of shit. My point now was the same as it was to Seth, nobody chose to have an Adult conversation, and instead you all went off back-stabbing me and other people to get what you wanted. Unfortunately it is people like you that bring the worst out in this server, and frankly make those of us that still wanted to stick around to try and enjoy the community that was here, realise that is now long since dead, and been replaced with bickering children with nothing better to do than put other people down because it makes them feel better. I hope you're proud of yourself, because what you stand for on this server is the reason it is declining in popularity. Then why do you stick around? Is seems unhealthy to choose to be part of a community you think is toxic, and since you have stated you don’t like it here anymore, why not leave? I’m confused about that logic.
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