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Apr 27, 2020 16:25:45 GMT
Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 16:25:45 GMT
didn't video start the discussion, not the IA? Didn't Seth suspend Lemon, not the IA? How is this the IA's fault? What does it prove about the IA? They've apparently been investigating this since before the thread so... I think that proves my point properly. Video gave us, IA, the information on 4/24/20. 2 days before Video posted his thread. That's how long we have been investigating it, not 8+ months. Please stop talking on topics you have no knowledge about. To clear up any questions, no, IA did not directly suspend Lemon. We did have heavy communication with Seth while he was doing it though. Our plan was to gather up as much info as possible, then release it to the public. We wanted public input of how to proceed. Video "forced our hand" by releasing all the knowledge while the majority of our team was sleeping. Yes, when Video gave us the information IA's plan were to suspend Lemon, however this has a process. We wanted to look at both sides and gather more knowledge. We have a team which leads to discussion and debates on what punishments should be dealt out. Honestly, you seem to have a deep disconnect between the server, forums, discord, and players when you have nothing but bad takes. It seems like you stay here out of spite, only to shit on what we're trying to accomplish
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Luke
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Apr 27, 2020 16:41:20 GMT
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Post by Luke on Apr 27, 2020 16:41:20 GMT
didn't video start the discussion, not the IA? Didn't Seth suspend Lemon, not the IA? How is this the IA's fault? What does it prove about the IA? They've apparently been investigating this since before the thread so... I think that proves my point properly. yeah, they've been investigating abuse, how shitty of them...? what did you want them to do, cover it up and ignore it?
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Apr 27, 2020 19:38:20 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 19:38:20 GMT
They've apparently been investigating this since before the thread so... I think that proves my point properly. Video gave us, IA, the information on 4/24/20. 2 days before Video posted his thread. That's how long we have been investigating it, not 8+ months. Please stop talking on topics you have no knowledge about. To clear up any questions, no, IA did not directly suspend Lemon. We did have heavy communication with Seth while he was doing it though. Our plan was to gather up as much info as possible, then release it to the public. We wanted public input of how to proceed. Video "forced our hand" by releasing all the knowledge while the majority of our team was sleeping. Yes, when Video gave us the information IA's plan were to suspend Lemon, however this has a process. We wanted to look at both sides and gather more knowledge. We have a team which leads to discussion and debates on what punishments should be dealt out. Honestly, you seem to have a deep disconnect between the server, forums, discord, and players when you have nothing but bad takes. It seems like you stay here out of spite, only to shit on what we're trying to accomplish I think you'll find my comment was you were investigating this before the thread. Nothing more. If you bothered to read it before thinking "Ahh yes I can shit on a player, that works for me" then you would have realized that. I have voiced my objections to the whole IA Scheme, I still think it's just as bad an idea as I did when you had the thread about it, so I will continue to voice those objections, and your post here just continues to further support that. You make clear that it's a handful of people making decisions impacting a far wider reach than just the few of you, and I continue to believe it is not your place to do that and should never have been. I unfortunately do have a deep disconnect to this server now, it's what happens when people back stab you time and time again and then create schemes like this to pretend the server is sunshine and rainbows... These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership. If people came up with good suggestions, I'd agree with them, but unfortunately I spend more of my time having to defend my view point from people such as yourself that don't read posts properly instead of being able to actually try and achieve anything constructive. If you want to continue to parade around like you're the big I AM and investigate shit that's now old, why not investigate this, because you all wanted to cover it up at the time.
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Apr 27, 2020 19:39:11 GMT
Post by Wild1145 on Apr 27, 2020 19:39:11 GMT
They've apparently been investigating this since before the thread so... I think that proves my point properly. yeah, they've been investigating abuse, how shitty of them...? what did you want them to do, cover it up and ignore it? There is a difference between investigating current abuse, and a witch hunt... I don't think it's their place to even investigate such things, but ignoring that, why go for something 8 months old... Just feels like people should find something better to do.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:12:10 GMT
Post by square on Apr 27, 2020 20:12:10 GMT
Video gave us, IA, the information on 4/24/20. 2 days before Video posted his thread. That's how long we have been investigating it, not 8+ months. Please stop talking on topics you have no knowledge about. To clear up any questions, no, IA did not directly suspend Lemon. We did have heavy communication with Seth while he was doing it though. Our plan was to gather up as much info as possible, then release it to the public. We wanted public input of how to proceed. Video "forced our hand" by releasing all the knowledge while the majority of our team was sleeping. Yes, when Video gave us the information IA's plan were to suspend Lemon, however this has a process. We wanted to look at both sides and gather more knowledge. We have a team which leads to discussion and debates on what punishments should be dealt out. Honestly, you seem to have a deep disconnect between the server, forums, discord, and players when you have nothing but bad takes. It seems like you stay here out of spite, only to shit on what we're trying to accomplish I think you'll find my comment was you were investigating this before the thread. Nothing more. If you bothered to read it before thinking "Ahh yes I can shit on a player, that works for me" then you would have realized that. I have voiced my objections to the whole IA Scheme, I still think it's just as bad an idea as I did when you had the thread about it, so I will continue to voice those objections, and your post here just continues to further support that. You make clear that it's a handful of people making decisions impacting a far wider reach than just the few of you, and I continue to believe it is not your place to do that and should never have been. I unfortunately do have a deep disconnect to this server now, it's what happens when people back stab you time and time again and then create schemes like this to pretend the server is sunshine and rainbows... These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership. If people came up with good suggestions, I'd agree with them, but unfortunately I spend more of my time having to defend my view point from people such as yourself that don't read posts properly instead of being able to actually try and achieve anything constructive. If you want to continue to parade around like you're the big I AM and investigate shit that's now old, why not investigate this, because you all wanted to cover it up at the time. mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. edit: and as sks said, it's a fucking poll?
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zeseryu
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Apr 27, 2020 20:12:54 GMT
Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 20:12:54 GMT
yeah, they've been investigating abuse, how shitty of them...? what did you want them to do, cover it up and ignore it? There is a difference between investigating current abuse, and a witch hunt... I don't think it's their place to even investigate such things, but ignoring that, why go for something 8 months old... Just feels like people should find something better to do. If you bothered to read through the initial thread Video posted you will find many people agree that there should be punishments dealt out. You can't just say it happened 8 months ago its okay now, if you do bad things you should get punished its really that simple.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:14:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:14:10 GMT
These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership The current clicky group is a group of friends with Seth. This is public knowledge. After leaks came from within the 'click' that was running TF, IA investigated it which resulted in a few of these click members resigning or being suspended. The wording of "handful of people making decisions" is not implying that IA is the elite running things, but that IA has been built up specifically to prevent exactly that. IA has already proven that it is capable of doing what it promised. If you don't think IA should be investigating anything at all, well then that's too bad. The poll disagreed with you. Now the focus is on allowing IA to do its best to prevent click groups from owning the server.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
I think you'll find my comment was you were investigating this before the thread. Nothing more. If you bothered to read it before thinking "Ahh yes I can shit on a player, that works for me" then you would have realized that. I have voiced my objections to the whole IA Scheme, I still think it's just as bad an idea as I did when you had the thread about it, so I will continue to voice those objections, and your post here just continues to further support that. You make clear that it's a handful of people making decisions impacting a far wider reach than just the few of you, and I continue to believe it is not your place to do that and should never have been. I unfortunately do have a deep disconnect to this server now, it's what happens when people back stab you time and time again and then create schemes like this to pretend the server is sunshine and rainbows... These 'Clicky' groups have been around for at least as long as I can now recall, certainly the whole time Windows and Seth have ran things, and for a long time at the end of Mark's leadership. If people came up with good suggestions, I'd agree with them, but unfortunately I spend more of my time having to defend my view point from people such as yourself that don't read posts properly instead of being able to actually try and achieve anything constructive. If you want to continue to parade around like you're the big I AM and investigate shit that's now old, why not investigate this, because you all wanted to cover it up at the time. mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
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Post by miwo on Apr 27, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
mm yummy you're posting that without knowing what i was thinking: i never post threads on the basis of someone else without first agreeing to it (hence why i agreed to it BEFORE he said he'd give me a role?). this was by no means covered over, there were threads detailing about this and whenever someone brought it up i'd tell them the same thing: seth brought it up, i agreed and so i did it. Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you. Wasn't there recently a case brought up regarding tampering with votes?
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Apr 27, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you. Wasn't there recently a case brought up regarding tampering with votes? You're referring to when after votes were cast, the ownership of the server treated people they disagreed with differently. I have not seen any case of manipulating the results of the polls directly. Just because a poll result disagrees with you, doesn't mean you should cry voter manipulation.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:27:27 GMT
Post by zeseryu on Apr 27, 2020 20:27:27 GMT
Wasn't there recently a case brought up regarding tampering with votes? You're referring to when after votes were cast, the ownership of the server treated people they disagreed with differently. I have not seen any case of manipulating the results of the polls directly. Just because a poll result disagrees with you, doesn't mean you should cry voter manipulation. Also in the situation where votes were tampered with, robin deleted comments on a senior application. You cannot delete or edit votes in any way on polls. No accounts have duplicate emails or IP addresses. There was no tampering on the discord exchange poll.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
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Post by miwo on Apr 27, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
Wasn't there recently a case brought up regarding tampering with votes? You're referring to when after votes were cast, the ownership of the server treated people they disagreed with differently. I have not seen any case of manipulating the results of the polls directly. Just because a poll result disagrees with you, doesn't mean you should cry voter manipulation. I never implied that? Perhaps you should take a breather instead of taking offence to a simple question.
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Luke
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Apr 27, 2020 20:28:43 GMT
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Post by Luke on Apr 27, 2020 20:28:43 GMT
Exactly haha. Wild has always acted like removing him from the discord ownership position was a big conspiracy. It wasn't. You were extremely abusive and mass majority didn't want you as the owner. That's democracy. You lost the vote by a wide margin. The public does not like you. Wasn't there recently a case brought up regarding tampering with votes? senior voting, as I'm sure you remember, was the vote that you are referring to. I know you know given you are also a senior, but Senior Admin voting isn't a poll - it's a thread which seniors reply to with the names of the admins they voted for. Because it wasn't a poll, it was tampered with because votes were able to be deleted. That, however, is a poll. I don't know if votes there can be tampered with, but the situation you refer to had different circumstances.
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Apr 27, 2020 20:32:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:32:51 GMT
You're referring to when after votes were cast, the ownership of the server treated people they disagreed with differently. I have not seen any case of manipulating the results of the polls directly. Just because a poll result disagrees with you, doesn't mean you should cry voter manipulation. I never implied that? Perhaps you should take a breather instead of taking offence to a simple question. Ah so you just randomly decided to bring up vote tempering, with no implied implication? Good to know your comment was completely irrelevant them.
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Luke
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Apr 27, 2020 20:32:53 GMT
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Post by Luke on Apr 27, 2020 20:32:53 GMT
either way can we just lock this thread and take discussion elsewhere because its been derailed
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