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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 9, 2019 2:56:40 GMT
Windows 7 is capable of supporting Direct3D 12. More importantly, it supports Vulkan/OpenGL which is better regardless. When you consider that fact, Windows 10 will actually run games worse due to the updated DWM which causes input lag among other things such as blue screens and graphics failures, but hey glad we really needed the DWM so that Windows can look really cool and hip! Oh wait, nobody likes the Metro interface, and everybody preferred Windows XP's GDI which used fucking software acceleration. The point of the DWM was to support Aero, except they ended up stripping out Aero. In Windows Vista/7, if you wanted to use a Windows XP theme port you could because the system didn't depend on the DWM and the GDI was still easily usable. There's nothing I despise more than the common premise spread by the media that system updates are oh so fucking vital. For one thing, I guarantee that at least 60% of Windows users despise automatic updates, and would never update the operating system regardless if it was shut off by default, and that would be a good thing considering Microsoft no longer cares about quality assurance. Every minor or major Windows 10 update will lead to one of the millions of things the operating system manages to fail. As for security updates, they're security theater because the actual security threats in Windows are the ones that are deliberately left there. Remember WannaCry? That was caused by a tool that the U.S. government had against Windows, which of course got into the hands of people with malicious intent. Microsoft and the U.S. government make sure that Windows is vulnerable to their tools, and that leaves you vulnerable no matter how updated your Windows 10 is if their tools get leaked. At the end of the day, you're fine to use Windows 7 without the updates, there will be no pixie that comes out and infects the OS with spooky viruses. never had a problem with Windows updates ever. Never has interrupted my work. I installed the October 2018 update on day one on both of my PC's and didn't lose my files. I do mind the bloatware. That's why I run enterprise LTSC now. That strips a lot of useless windows components which makes stuff a lot easier The updates won't make the system unusable, but they will silently break something and you'll never know that it was caused by an update. They have also definitely lead to more common blue screens. Little to no quality assurance goes into updates anymore, because that's no longer a goal of Microsoft.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 3:02:07 GMT
never had a problem with Windows updates ever. Never has interrupted my work. I installed the October 2018 update on day one on both of my PC's and didn't lose my files. I do mind the bloatware. That's why I run enterprise LTSC now. That strips a lot of useless windows components which makes stuff a lot easier The updates won't make the system unusable, but they will silently break something and you'll never know that it was caused by an update. They have also definitely lead to more common blue screens. Little to no quality assurance goes into updates anymore, because that's no longer a goal of Microsoft. Well whatever you're so sure "broke" in the latest Windows 10 Cumulative Update, I sure haven't seen yet. I usually wait a week before installing updates. If there's something really wrong, it'll be milked to death in the news. Can't miss it. If I recall, you said you were on Windows 8.1. You can disable automatic updating (there's literally an option in settings), and you can do it on Windows 10 too. In fact, I've had Windows 7 interrupt me more than I've had Windows 10 interrupt me. Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of that says you have to restart your computer, and you can't postpone it any longer. Never get that dialog on Windows 10. The updates install whenever I want them to. I've had an update waiting to be installed for days. Windows 7 won't let you get through a 9-5 workday without bugging you to install the update or postpone it. I'm not going to argue with your illogical statements. The news makes a huge deal of every little issue in Windows Update, but in the real world, I've had no issues with Windows updates at home, or on the 25+ computers (on 7, 8.1, and 10) I manage Windows updates on at work. ^ "Your organization has turned off automatic updates"
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 9, 2019 3:22:06 GMT
The updates won't make the system unusable, but they will silently break something and you'll never know that it was caused by an update. They have also definitely lead to more common blue screens. Little to no quality assurance goes into updates anymore, because that's no longer a goal of Microsoft. Well whatever you're so sure "broke" in the latest Windows 10 Cumulative Update, I sure haven't seen yet. I usually wait a week before installing updates. If there's something really wrong, it'll be milked to death in the news. Can't miss it. If I recall, you said you were on Windows 8.1. You can disable automatic updating (there's literally an option in settings), and you can do it on Windows 10 too. In fact, I've had Windows 7 interrupt me more than I've had Windows 10 interrupt me. Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of that says you have to restart your computer, and you can't postpone it any longer. Never get that dialog on Windows 10. The updates install whenever I want them to. I've had an update waiting to be installed for days. Windows 7 won't let you get through a 9-5 workday without bugging you to install the update or postpone it. I'm not going to argue with your illogical statements. The news makes a huge deal of every little issue in Windows Update, but in the real world, I've had no issues with Windows updates at home, or on the 25+ computers (on 7, 8.1, and 10) I manage Windows updates on at work.
^ "Your organization has turned off automatic updates" Your points are entirely anecdotal, whereas I'm talking big picture. "Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of" is false because you can disable automatic updates the exact same way (and guess what, Windows 10 has that exact dialog). I never said it was impossible to disable automatic updates, my point is that it's on by default and users generally don't turn it off because the human instinct is to stay up to date. I also wasn't talking about critical issues caused by an update, I'm saying that updates both major and minor will end up silently breaking something (which can be literally anything, operating systems have to manage millions of different things), and the main issue causing this is because Microsoft has no interest in quality assurance anymore. You not seeing it means absolutely nothing unless you're taking your time to test every bit of the operating system, all it takes is a small change to break *anything* and the problem is that when something such as a driver won't work you won't even be aware that it was an update that caused it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 3:33:18 GMT
Well whatever you're so sure "broke" in the latest Windows 10 Cumulative Update, I sure haven't seen yet. I usually wait a week before installing updates. If there's something really wrong, it'll be milked to death in the news. Can't miss it. If I recall, you said you were on Windows 8.1. You can disable automatic updating (there's literally an option in settings), and you can do it on Windows 10 too. In fact, I've had Windows 7 interrupt me more than I've had Windows 10 interrupt me. Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of that says you have to restart your computer, and you can't postpone it any longer. Never get that dialog on Windows 10. The updates install whenever I want them to. I've had an update waiting to be installed for days. Windows 7 won't let you get through a 9-5 workday without bugging you to install the update or postpone it. I'm not going to argue with your illogical statements. The news makes a huge deal of every little issue in Windows Update, but in the real world, I've had no issues with Windows updates at home, or on the 25+ computers (on 7, 8.1, and 10) I manage Windows updates on at work.
^ "Your organization has turned off automatic updates" Your points are entirely anecdotal, whereas I'm talking big picture. "Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of" is false because you can disable automatic updates the exact same way (and guess what, Windows 10 has that exact dialog). I never said it was impossible to disable automatic updates, my point is that it's on by default and users generally don't turn it off because the human instinct is to stay up to date. I also wasn't talking about critical issues caused by an update, I'm saying that updates both major and minor will end up silently breaking something (which can be literally anything, operating systems have to manage millions of different things), and the main issue causing this is because Microsoft has no interest in quality assurance anymore. You not seeing it means absolutely nothing unless you're taking your time to test every bit of the operating system, all it takes is a small change to break *anything* and the problem is that when something such as a driver won't work you won't even be aware that it was an update that caused it.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 9, 2019 3:46:40 GMT
Your points are entirely anecdotal, whereas I'm talking big picture. "Windows 7 had this dialog that you can't get rid of" is false because you can disable automatic updates the exact same way (and guess what, Windows 10 has that exact dialog). I never said it was impossible to disable automatic updates, my point is that it's on by default and users generally don't turn it off because the human instinct is to stay up to date. I also wasn't talking about critical issues caused by an update, I'm saying that updates both major and minor will end up silently breaking something (which can be literally anything, operating systems have to manage millions of different things), and the main issue causing this is because Microsoft has no interest in quality assurance anymore. You not seeing it means absolutely nothing unless you're taking your time to test every bit of the operating system, all it takes is a small change to break *anything* and the problem is that when something such as a driver won't work you won't even be aware that it was an update that caused it. Thank you, I am aware it is technologically possible to not use or revert updates. My original point is that a lack of updates are not a proper reason against using Windows 7, if we're on the same page that updates are bad, then there isn't an argument.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 4:16:06 GMT
Thank you, I am aware it is technologically possible to not use or revert updates. My original point is that a lack of updates are not a proper reason against using Windows 7, if we're on the same page that updates are bad, then there isn't an argument. Except I really don't think they're bad. I just wait a week or two so other people find the issues and I don't have to deal with them. As I said previously, if there's an actual issue, it'll be overblown in the news. To be honest, determining whether you should update is MUCH harder than it should be. Therefore, I can see the appeal to avoid updates because it IS easier. I feel that you have to have a good understanding of computers and updates and technology to know when applying updates are a good idea. An average user wouldn't know that this specific update breaks this, and this one is known to have battery life issues or something. Almost none of the security vulnerabilities that are patched are actually used to mass attack systems. If that were the case, Windows XP would have gotten more than one emergency patch so far. I don't think that you can get away without updating at least sometimes. Edit: Oh, I re-read that. Honestly, I wouldn't use Windows 7 whether its receiving updates or not. Sure, it was simple, had a gorgeous UI, and didn't take as much RAM to run, but honestly there's a lot of features missing that I take for granted on Windows 10. I used Windows 7 from August 9, 2018 to January 3, 2019. I used it for a while, and there were so many things I missed from 10. I really do miss the UI, less RAM, and it was smoother, but 10 is just overall more convenient.
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