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Post by inFAmas97 on Nov 12, 2018 6:31:35 GMT
Why does this have to be an issue, how hard is it to respect other staff and OPs if they ask you too cut it off? I don't care too much about admins having some fun every now and then, but if your fun is interfering with other admins/OPs then there is a problem. I can not emphasize how important showing some basic courtesy to everyone is. I know I've said it before, but it happens over and over so I'll say it again as it is true for 90% of the issues between admins. The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude about the problem.
What I mean by that is that there would be a significantly less amount of problems if admins were able to respect each other's opinions instead of blatantly ignoring them and insisting that they are wrong. If something is actually that big of a deal you should save everyone some time and report it instead of intentionally fighting which only escalates the problem.
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Post by ?Robin on Nov 13, 2018 3:22:39 GMT
Why does this have to be an issue, how hard is it to respect other staff and OPs if they ask you too cut it off? apparently admeda never said to cut it off, but felt like posting it as buffoonery (which isn't making much sense) I can not emphasize how important showing some basic courtesy to everyone is. I know I've said it before, but it happens over and over so I'll say it again as it is true for 90% of the issues between admins. The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude about the problem.we show basic courtesy, but the problem is that you don't need to pretend like you're the god of this server and try to rescue it by reporting like 10 admins because of it. it isn't gonna make you more popular, or it isn't going to get you praised upon. What I mean by that is that there would be a significantly less amount of problems if admins were able to respect each other's opinions instead of blatantly ignoring them and insisting that they are wrong. If something is actually that big of a deal you should save everyone some time and report it instead of intentionally fighting which only escalates the problem. i don't even know if that statement is relevant to this. i can't respect his opinions because they interfere with me, the server and could be more. if he weren't so public about it, then maybe he would've gotten some respect (and not become seal).
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Post by inFAmas97 on Nov 13, 2018 3:34:59 GMT
Why does this have to be an issue, how hard is it to respect other staff and OPs if they ask you too cut it off? apparently admeda never said to cut it off, but felt like posting it as buffoonery (which isn't making much sense) I can not emphasize how important showing some basic courtesy to everyone is. I know I've said it before, but it happens over and over so I'll say it again as it is true for 90% of the issues between admins. The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude about the problem.we show basic courtesy, but the problem is that you don't need to pretend like you're the god of this server and try to rescue it by reporting like 10 admins because of it. it isn't gonna make you more popular, or it isn't going to get you praised upon. What I mean by that is that there would be a significantly less amount of problems if admins were able to respect each other's opinions instead of blatantly ignoring them and insisting that they are wrong. If something is actually that big of a deal you should save everyone some time and report it instead of intentionally fighting which only escalates the problem. i don't even know if that statement is relevant to this. i can't respect his opinions because they interfere with me, the server and could be more. if he weren't so public about it, then maybe he would've gotten some respect (and not become seal). What does that have to do with it? Please read: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/61847/respect-ops-admins as I have been pushing this issue for months now only to be ignored. It's pretty clear someone was asking admins to stop (as seen in the photos).
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Post by ?Robin on Nov 13, 2018 5:26:00 GMT
apparently admeda never said to cut it off, but felt like posting it as buffoonery (which isn't making much sense) we show basic courtesy, but the problem is that you don't need to pretend like you're the god of this server and try to rescue it by reporting like 10 admins because of it. it isn't gonna make you more popular, or it isn't going to get you praised upon. i don't even know if that statement is relevant to this. i can't respect his opinions because they interfere with me, the server and could be more. if he weren't so public about it, then maybe he would've gotten some respect (and not become seal). What does that have to do with it? Please read: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/61847/respect-ops-admins as I have been pushing this issue for months now only to be ignored. It's pretty clear someone was asking admins to stop (as seen in the photos). if nothing you just said relates to the topic, why post? you don't need to remind us about the shit tons of threads of people disrespecting others you can push an issue as far as you want in this community, and it isn't going to be addressed unless you take measures
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Post by serrif on Nov 13, 2018 19:53:22 GMT
I actually think this constant backstabbing and constant watching your back is actually more poisionus than any actual actions of the admins involved.
What are you trying to accomplish by trying to turn admins against each other? You're acting like this is some sort of major political protest. You aren't rising up and defeating the establishment, you're turning your back on the people who have the ability to defend you. I don't understand how you feel you're the central leader for some major political movement.
It's a volunteer, hobby Minecraft server. I can assure you when you apply for clan (because why not be rewarded for creating an internal administrator conflict) you'll be met with nothing but objections because of these very actions and others like it.
I also laughed through a bit through this thread; you're kidding yourselves if you haven't wasted time on the server. I agree with @creeperseth - in fact a think a large part of TotalFreedom decreasing in playerbase is a result of admins like you.
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Post by CorruptedPolygon on Nov 13, 2018 20:30:21 GMT
Right, I don't play on the server but I feel I need to put my two cents on this.
If admins want to enjoy themselves, let them. Don't be pissy about it and claim that they're ruining TF, when they're really not. They still administrate when they need to, it's just that in this particular case, nothing was really going on so why stop them?
Feel free to take the server seriously if you want; whether others will take you seriously is another question.
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Post by kai on Nov 13, 2018 22:53:14 GMT
the only time i've seen an op ask an admin to stop was one time. all of the other times it's always another admin with a pole up their behind about being "professional" on a game for 11-15 year olds.
get over it. there's been countless threads about this over the years, and you aren't going to make a difference. let admins have fun, and if an op asks us to stop, we will. admins aren't stupid, we know when to stop - at least some of us do, apparently. this thread was completely unneeded, and all you're doing is causing unnecessary drama and turning admins against each other when all we're doing is trying to enjoy the server. enough.
again - we volunteered to be admins. we aren't getting paid, this isn't a professional business, we're not the next fucking top-notch insurance company. this is a minecraft server. if people can't have a little fun on a game, then what is the fucking point.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Nov 14, 2018 9:29:53 GMT
Hold on a second; I can understand the arguments that it is not always necessary to be professional on the server, but I'm also getting the feeling that some people are implying that if the person being annoyed by you is an admin, asking you to stop is just causing drama and they need to suck it up. Being inconsiderate is no better than being oversensitive.
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Post by inFAmas97 on Nov 14, 2018 21:30:29 GMT
Hold on a second; I can understand the arguments that it is not always necessary to be professional on the server, but I'm also getting the feeling that some people are implying that if the person being annoyed by you is an admin, asking you to stop is just causing drama and they need to suck it up. Being inconsiderate is no better than being oversensitive. Agreed. A good way to tell when a line was crossed is for admins to ask themselves if an OP would be punished for doing the same thing. Like in this case, I am pretty sure an OP would have been punished for spamming the chat in the way some admins did.
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Post by LightUk on Nov 15, 2018 1:10:43 GMT
I am not saying you're not allowed to have fun or have to be professional, I am saying you're not allowed to break the conduct, as simple as that. If the conduct policy ain't followed anymore, not even by admins then what's the point of having it, we can just turn this server into flame.ga 2.0
If you find spamming the chat, smiting each other and being a total nuisance to those who just want to play the game, then there is something not completely alright with you. There are other less abusive and more conduct compatible ways to have fun, e.g. building, hosting events, helping ops, catching griefers etc.
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Post by ?Robin on Nov 15, 2018 2:12:50 GMT
I am not saying you're not allowed to have fun or have to be professional, I am saying you're not allowed to break the conduct, as simple as that. If the conduct policy ain't followed anymore, not even by admins then what's the point of having it, we can just turn this server into flame.ga 2.0 If you find spamming the chat, smiting each other and being a total nuisance to those who just want to play the game, then there is something not completely alright with you. There are other less abusive and more conduct compatible ways to have fun, e.g. building, hosting events, helping ops, catching griefers etc. lmao this isn't turning into flame.ga because tf isn't going down every 2 seconds if you're actually active on the server, who's ACTUALLY playing the game except for like some 3 people? it's like you're being an administrator at a school telling kids that "hey rather than you do this much better fun stuff that might be against the policy, do these really shitty options instead" sure hosting events is fun, but it gets boring after a while. also, helping ops and catching griefers aren't fun, it's basically what you have to do here on this server
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Post by serrif on Nov 15, 2018 2:13:24 GMT
Hold on a second; I can understand the arguments that it is not always necessary to be professional on the server, but I'm also getting the feeling that some people are implying that if the person being annoyed by you is an admin, asking you to stop is just causing drama and they need to suck it up. Being inconsiderate is no better than being oversensitive. Agreed. A good way to tell when a line was crossed is for admins to ask themselves if an OP would be punished for doing the same thing. Like in this case, I am pretty sure an OP would have been punished for spamming the chat in the way some admins did. While I agree that is how our method of thinking should be, that isn't what happens. Because admins are tasked with moderating the server, and since admins are "all powerful" on the server; something like this will happen again whether viewed as negative or not. I don't know anyone who is going to report themselves in their minds for having fun. A direct cause of a situation even being possible is how we handle oversight of admins here. Since we rely on this admin-op or op-admin reporting system, no one is impartial. I don't have any concrete solutions but I also don't think the proper way to go about anything is "change the way you view misconduct, admins. Please?".
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Post by LightUk on Nov 15, 2018 2:56:37 GMT
How come there are many different servers which also have admin volunteers and work perfectly without any of these issues.
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Post by ?Robin on Nov 15, 2018 4:32:55 GMT
How come there are many different servers which also have admin volunteers and work perfectly without any of these issues. list them, and don't list any major servers since they're usually abiding by something, for example, pay or popularity
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Post by inFAmas97 on Nov 15, 2018 4:48:40 GMT
Agreed. A good way to tell when a line was crossed is for admins to ask themselves if an OP would be punished for doing the same thing. Like in this case, I am pretty sure an OP would have been punished for spamming the chat in the way some admins did. While I agree that is how our method of thinking should be, that isn't what happens. Because admins are tasked with moderating the server, and since admins are "all powerful" on the server; something like this will happen again whether viewed as negative or not. I don't know anyone who is going to report themselves in their minds for having fun. A direct cause of a situation even being possible is how we handle oversight of admins here. Since we rely on this admin-op or op-admin reporting system, no one is impartial. I don't have any concrete solutions but I also don't think the proper way to go about anything is "change the way you view misconduct, admins. Please?". I meant it as more of a general rule of thumb for admins to gauge whether they should report something or move on. From my experience, I know there are numerous other factors that can contribute to what qualifies as abuse or not, but my point is it's better safe than sorry when dealing with potential misconduct.
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