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Post by Varuct on Jul 19, 2018 13:38:11 GMT
After talking to a bunch of admins on the server. I feel like many of you have similar problems with the Master Builder world. That it has no point if both ops and admins can access it. It is unused so it takes up ram the server needs. And that Master Builders should just be allowed access to adminworld instead for building. I have a couple of suggestions I feel would help with the problems people have with it. First off, the Master Builder rank as is doesn't have much of a point besides helping with builds rarely. They don't really have any special perks for being accepted as high quality builders on TF. I would add 2 commands that are exclusive to them. One that allows them to open up the MBW to admins or everyone. That way they can show off what they're working on while also having a private place to build if they wish. And another to add Masterbuilder world guests. I believe currently not even seniors can build in MBW, if so, I'd like to keep it that way. For those who worry about griefing, etc. Any issues like that should be handled by Xfilez.
By adding those commands, it will also give purpose to master builders having to verify, which was rather pointless before. I know it's irritating for admins to have to verify builders when they don't have any point in being verified. I don't think any of this takes away from the spirit of TotalFreedom, it simply adds a reason for wanting to apply for masterbuilder rather than just the rank itself. If anyone has any disagreements with my ideas, I'd love to hear them. Right now I think a lot of the admins dislike the MB world and the rank itself. So rather than just scrapping the whole thing and waste the time spent developing it. Why not put it to use.
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Post by Darth on Jul 19, 2018 13:43:35 GMT
Adminworld exists so admins have a place to have a some peace and rest from administrating, which is why only admins can access it. The Master Builder world is a thing so all players can see the creations made by the MB team, but have it safe from being griefed. If I'm being honest, I also think a big part of the problem is jealousy.
But I vouch for both suggestions.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 19, 2018 14:41:04 GMT
One that allows them to open up the MBW to admins or everyone. I don't see how this would work. There is more than one build in the master builder world. You can't decide for all other master builders if they want their builds to be public at a given time. And another to add Masterbuilder world guests. That defeats the purpose of the master builder rank. |
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Post by !?????? ?? ??? ????? on Jul 19, 2018 15:15:40 GMT
And another to add Masterbuilder world guests. That defeats the purpose of the master builder rank. No, not really. Like adminworld guests, they can be useful if a masterbuild wants to show the guest his/her building process, final build, or just some plain roleplay in the MBW. |
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 19, 2018 16:24:01 GMT
That defeats the purpose of the master builder rank. No, not really. Like adminworld guests, they can be useful if a masterbuild wants to show the guest his/her building process, final build, or just some plain roleplay in the MBW. But the master builder world is already open to everyone? I didn't read the suggestion to make it master builder only by default anywhere in this thread. The only logical assumption I can make is that the guest list gives you permission to build. |
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Post by LightUk on Jul 19, 2018 16:51:54 GMT
I can make is that the guest list gives you permission to build. That sounds like a good idea. |
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Post by Darth on Jul 19, 2018 17:19:28 GMT
I can make is that the guest list gives you permission to build. That sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. |
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Post by LightUk on Jul 19, 2018 17:21:30 GMT
That sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. Why not? It is possible to accomplish. |
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Post by JagWire on Jul 19, 2018 17:22:10 GMT
That sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. I agree with that. Whats the point on giving guest access to a non master builder, as a rogue could just do this in order to grief it. You have to go through a hell of a lot of effort to get the master building rank in the first place, and its unlikely someone would go through that much trouble just to grief afterwards. |
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Post by jwmphall on Jul 19, 2018 17:22:31 GMT
I can make is that the guest list gives you permission to build. That sounds like a good idea. So riddle me this: What is the point of the MB rank if they could just add somebody else to the exclusive world? |
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Post by LightUk on Jul 19, 2018 18:12:37 GMT
That sounds like a good idea. So riddle me this: What is the point of the MB rank if they could just add somebody else to the exclusive world? Simple, Master Builder world is made for Master Builders to store their builds in peace, knowing that nobody would grief them, and they wouldn't be wiped completely due to the flat lands wipe. It wouldn't hurt to give Master Builders Extra command, for example: /mbw guest add name. So they could invite their friend/s to help them with their creation for example. Point of MB rank is to have extra world in which they can build safely as i said above, I highly doubt it would hurt to allow it. EDIT: ADMINS would not be allowed to add people to Master Builder world, it would only be the Master Builders choice to allow the given person permission to edit. |
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Post by JagWire on Jul 19, 2018 19:06:23 GMT
So riddle me this: What is the point of the MB rank if they could just add somebody else to the exclusive world? Simple, Master Builder world is made for Master Builders to store their builds in peace, knowing that nobody would grief them, and they wouldn't be wiped completely due to the flat lands wipe. It wouldn't hurt to give Master Builders Extra command, for example: /mbw guest add name. So they could invite their friend/s to help them with their creation for example. Point of MB rank is to have extra world in which they can build safely as i said above, I highly doubt it would hurt to allow it. EDIT: ADMINS would not be allowed to add people to Master Builder world, it would only be the Master Builders choice to allow the given person permission to edit. I'm sorry, But I question the fact that master builders would ever need help on building. If they did they would call other master builders. I really don't see the point of having guest access. |
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Post by Pramire on Jul 19, 2018 19:10:45 GMT
That sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. i don't know why that's your decision to make? i also don't want to speak for everyone, but as a MB applicant, i don't really build on TotalFreedom. i find it too chaotic and it restarts too frequently, clearing worldedit selections or clipboard copies. there also isn't a good solution for building if you're a non-mb, the adminworld is too cluttered and i want my builds to be accessible, but they get griefed in the flatlands. Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. I agree with that. Whats the point on giving guest access to a non master builder, as a rogue could just do this in order to grief it. You have to go through a hell of a lot of effort to get the master building rank in the first place, and its unlikely someone would go through that much trouble just to grief afterwards. the same argument could be made about the adminworld, but everything is logged. all senior admins have coreprotect permissions in the world and all executives can restore by hand, so it isn't that big of a deal. if MB guests were to be added, they'd have to follow the adminworld policy of "they must be watched and it's the supervisor's responsibility if anything happens." if we keep playing the what if game not much gets done. |
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Post by Darth on Jul 19, 2018 19:14:49 GMT
Unfortunately this is entirely out of the question. A non MB will never be allowed to build in the MB world. i don't know why that's your decision to make? It's not, xfilez told me this previously when I brought it up. |
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Post by xfilez on Jul 19, 2018 20:54:51 GMT
1. I agree with ONLY MB's building in the MB World. It would defeat the purpose of the rank/world to let a guest or otherwise build
2. I'm not seeing why we would only open the world up at certain times? We just released a map and I believe that anyone should be able to view that map at any time they want.
3. Dusty and I explicitly agreed that MB's will never be allowed in the Adminworld for a plethora of reasons. Firstly, it's called the ADMINworld for a reason. It's just the world for the admin group of this server to build. Secondly, the Adminworld is way too clustered. MB's would have to fly for miles before being able to build and when they finally can - how do people know that it's not another admin but an actual MB build? Thirdly, by making this world MB's can work together in close proximity and have a similar level of quality between builds unlike the randomness in Adminworld.
4. This whole unused problem has been a massive lack of communication. MB's didn't build in the MB World because they knew if they did their builds would be wiped when the new map came in for the MB World. However, the map went behind-schedule and things went a bit haywire. We wanted the map to be a surprise and that's where the lack of communication came in.
5. All griefing issues are already covered in the Masterbuilder World Policy.
I'm willing to talk over any more issues admins believe we have.
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