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Post by inFAmas97 on Feb 13, 2018 0:03:21 GMT
One stupid decision shouldn't bar you for life. There are dozens of current and former admins who at one point in time were suspended for rogue activities but have since returned to be great admins,
many even became seniors. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption, they just have to earn it. Once someone becomes a repeat rogue they do have a heck of a lot more to prove, but that doesn't mean they can't prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 3:27:10 GMT
One stupid decision shouldn't bar you for life. There are dozens of current and former admins who at one point in time were suspended for rogue activities but have since returned to be great admins, many even became seniors. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption, they just have to earn it. Once someone becomes a repeat rogue they do have a heck of a lot more to prove, but that doesn't mean they can't prove it. 2. Stop giving rogue admins their power back so easily. If someone really proves they deserve it after a long time, maybe. But if we just keep giving people more and more chances, it just does so much harm to the server, and results in more drama. First of all, that doesn't mean they should be 'barred for life' after one decision. It is simply asking for the process to be much harder, and is that really so bad? Rogues shouldn't have the option to become a repeat offender so quickly. And I personally don't think we owe repeat offenders anything, but that's just my opinion and I didn't put that in my suggestion. |
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Post by inFAmas97 on Feb 13, 2018 21:26:56 GMT
One stupid decision shouldn't bar you for life. There are dozens of current and former admins who at one point in time were suspended for rogue activities but have since returned to be great admins, many even became seniors. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption, they just have to earn it. Once someone becomes a repeat rogue they do have a heck of a lot more to prove, but that doesn't mean they can't prove it. 2. Stop giving rogue admins their power back so easily. If someone really proves they deserve it after a long time, maybe. But if we just keep giving people more and more chances, it just does so much harm to the server, and results in more drama. First of all, that doesn't mean they should be 'barred for life' after one decision. It is simply asking for the process to be much harder, and is that really so bad? Rogues shouldn't have the option to become a repeat offender so quickly. And I personally don't think we owe repeat offenders anything, but that's just my opinion and I didn't put that in my suggestion. You're right, I was responding to what Polska ?ywno?? said above, I just didn't quote it. |
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Post by inFAmas97 on Feb 13, 2018 23:31:36 GMT
I still think we are overestimating the rogue/repeat rogue population. We are acting like a new rogue its a weekly occurrence an, which is hardly the case. Looking at admin approvals the last repeat rogue to get status back was Decy all the way back in October.
Pretty much every instant pointed out here is from one of 3 very specific cases Decy, Sav, and UY. UY and Sav have tried to return several times each with their own new identities and all know were found. We are acting like every one of these identities was each their own separate rogue admin, but they aren't, it's the same 2 people over and over with identity after identity.
We are also acting like rogues are getting reinstated left and right, but are they really? The case always sighted for this is UY, who was reinstated using alts.
I am all for making the system stronger, we just have to identify what the actual problems are to be able to improve on them... it's pretty pointless to say "make it harder for rogues to get power back" when the problem isn't really about rogues being reinstated, it's that rogues are using unknown alts to do so.
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Post by Polska ?ywno?? on Feb 15, 2018 0:20:47 GMT
2. Stop giving rogue admins their power back so easily. If someone really proves they deserve it after a long time, maybe. But if we just keep giving people more and more chances, it just does so much harm to the server, and results in more drama. First of all, that doesn't mean they should be 'barred for life' after one decision. It is simply asking for the process to be much harder, and is that really so bad? Rogues shouldn't have the option to become a repeat offender so quickly. And I personally don't think we owe repeat offenders anything, but that's just my opinion and I didn't put that in my suggestion. You're right, I was responding to what Polska ?ywno?? said above, I just didn't quote it. Fair enough. But be strict on them at least? |
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Post by Polska ?ywno?? on Feb 27, 2018 17:54:08 GMT
Sorry ive been away for a bit, and hold it inFAmas97In order for us to have admins 24/7 we would legit need every damn person in the server to be admin, which is not fun at all. And Im suggesting to close admin apps until we ACTUALLY NEED a new admin, not to close them period. |
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Post by smg515 on Sept 11, 2018 7:35:57 GMT
Imagine having a good suggestion being completely ignored, this should be brought up again.
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Post by _flippy on Sept 11, 2018 10:22:12 GMT
It's in the closed section, I didn't close it though
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Sept 11, 2018 18:17:26 GMT
It's in the closed section, I didn't close it though It was already moved to closed in February. I have no idea if this thread is supposed to be locked or not, though. |
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Post by ?Robin on Sept 11, 2018 18:34:22 GMT
It's in the closed section, I didn't close it though It was already moved to closed in February. I have no idea if this thread is supposed to be locked or not, though. but why should it be closed or locked if it's a long-term issue that's still not completely fixed? |
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Sept 11, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
It was already moved to closed in February. I have no idea if this thread is supposed to be locked or not, though. but why should it be closed or locked if it's a long-term issue that's still not completely fixed? I don't know, it was Windows who moved it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 2:20:49 GMT
but why should it be closed or locked if it's a long-term issue that's still not completely fixed? I don't know, it was Windows who moved it. Why was it closed in the first place if it hasn't even been addresses officially? |
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Post by inFAmas97 on Sept 12, 2018 5:54:22 GMT
I am discussing with the other admin officers about making an official protocol of how to deal with admins returning from indefinite suspensions, which would naturally encompass returning 'rogue admins' from suspensions too.
Will post updates once I get them.
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Post by _Windows on Sept 12, 2018 12:04:57 GMT
but why should it be closed or locked if it's a long-term issue that's still not completely fixed? I don't know, it was Windows who moved it. I do not remember why I moved it at this point. If this is still an issue, then it can be moved back. |
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Post by _flippy on Sept 12, 2018 12:10:41 GMT
I'll reopen it
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