usedtobeqweston5
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Post by usedtobeqweston5 on Aug 16, 2020 4:19:24 GMT
To fap is to be at odds with Natural Law. It is to diverge from and abridge what your innate end is as a sentient being, particularly as a human being. The act of sexual intercourse has an end thus that is two-fold: it is procreative and it is unitive, with the unitive end being a consequence of the procreative end, yet with the latter end not being lesser than the former; more, intercourse is obviously understood to be procreative first and foremost, as the first end of any life from the natural perspective is to reproduce and survive. Because mankind can be, with an empirical certainty, directed toward a particular and objective end or ends, and those ends reflecting a natural (in the physical sense) truth, to direct yourself away from your natural mode is to be in constant tension with yourself where it is not necessary. Flesh and spirit are in constant tension, and this tension is unavoidable. The aforementioned tension derived from betraying your mode is avoidable. Thus while both involve tension, one is innate (the tension of the flesh and spirit). The other is created (betraying your natural mode), and creation is an act of the will -- which is to say that it can be not created.
The primary principle of Natural Law according to Aquinas is that "good is to be done and pursued and evil avoided." (ST I-II, Q. 94, Art. 2, co.)
To engage in unnecessary tension whose end is not directed toward the good of the self, that is, toward what is true, since goodness and truth are inseparable, is then evil. To fap is not directed toward what is True and immutable, which are the qualities of the two coterminous ends of intercourse. Since it is lacking in Truth, it is not good. Since it is not neutral, as it is opposed to the truth, because by participating in the act you are removing yourself from your natural end, it is evil.
If there is an option to not create the tension, and the ontological tension is evil, and the primary principle of Natural Law is that "evil [is to be] avoided," to create it anyway is evil, as you engage your full will in something inherently opposed to you.
Do not fap.
but seriously, whats y'alls opinion on da fap?
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 16, 2020 4:22:54 GMT
Moved to the correct board (deep discussion)
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Post by usedtobeqweston5 on Aug 16, 2020 4:23:14 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by monkeh on Aug 16, 2020 4:29:37 GMT
fuck aquinas
feels good so I'll do it
hedonism is the way to go
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Aug 16, 2020 9:48:55 GMT
I see a premise in your argument that the meaning of life is to reproduce. However, there are many other views on this, one of them being that the meaning of life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain. Assuming this view, it follows from the rest of your argument that to purposely avoid masturbation is to be at odds with your natural end.
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Post by miwo on Aug 16, 2020 14:45:44 GMT
I was evil just 5 min ago intercourse is obviously understood to be procreative first and foremost, as the first end of any life from the natural perspective is to reproduce and survive. Because mankind can be, with an empirical certainty, directed toward a particular and objective end or ends, and those ends reflecting a natural (in the physical sense) truth, to direct yourself away from your natural mode is to be in constant tension with yourself where it is not necessary. Flesh and spirit are in constant tension, and this tension is unavoidable. The aforementioned tension derived from betraying your mode is avoidable. Thus while both involve tension, one is innate (the tension of the flesh and spirit). The other is created (betraying your natural mode), and creation is an act of the will -- which is to say that it can be not created If we are going by this reductionistic viewpoint, you might also say that homosexuality is inherently evil because it is reflecting this natural truth, thus it is pushing the pair away from this natural "will" to procreate equating to the gay pair being in a constate state of anxiety towards their innate nature. Same could be applied to fucking dogs. It's a fact that masturbation has been observed in various ape-species and other species as well. fuking for fun is also not evil Also saying that goodness and truth are inseperable is wildly up to ones subjective viewpoint. |
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Post by usedtobeqweston5 on Aug 16, 2020 17:17:56 GMT
I was evil just 5 min ago intercourse is obviously understood to be procreative first and foremost, as the first end of any life from the natural perspective is to reproduce and survive. Because mankind can be, with an empirical certainty, directed toward a particular and objective end or ends, and those ends reflecting a natural (in the physical sense) truth, to direct yourself away from your natural mode is to be in constant tension with yourself where it is not necessary. Flesh and spirit are in constant tension, and this tension is unavoidable. The aforementioned tension derived from betraying your mode is avoidable. Thus while both involve tension, one is innate (the tension of the flesh and spirit). The other is created (betraying your natural mode), and creation is an act of the will -- which is to say that it can be not created If we are going by this reductionistic viewpoint, you might also say that homosexuality is inherently evil because it is reflecting this natural truth, thus it is pushing the pair away from this natural "will" to procreate equating to the gay pair being in a constate state of anxiety towards their innate nature. Same could be applied to fucking dogs. It's a fact that masturbation has been observed in various ape-species and other species as well. fuking for fun is also not evil Also saying that goodness and truth are inseperable is wildly up to ones subjective viewpoint. Well, yeah. I would use similar logic to make the case that sodomy is intrinsically discorded, and the disposition thereof is likewise disordered but it does not remove the innate dignity from a person or persons. I should add that yes, certain ape-species have been observed to masturbate in one form or another, but apes are not rational in the sense that man is -- they are incapable of introspection, and generally have no tension between flesh and "spirit," as it were. They cannot freely choose to seek one instinctual desire over a presumed metaphysical truth. Note that sodomy is likewise disordered because it takes away from the procreative end of intercourse. As such, homosexuals are in a sort of tension by virtue of their disordered disposition, but if their state is such that they desire no opposite-sex partner, it would be greater to abstain than to partake in sexual acts with someone of the same sex, because given the binary alternative of neutral "action" (doing nothing) and morally depraved action, it is better to do the former. Because homosexuality is not necessarily an action but an inclination to a certain type of action, an action which one can freely choose not to partake in, a homosexual person is not any lesser of a person or being than one who is heterosexual. Also I am sorry if I don't respond soon enough, I don't get on here often  Thank you for your response. |
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Post by usedtobeqweston5 on Aug 16, 2020 17:28:44 GMT
I see a premise in your argument that the meaning of life is to reproduce. However, there are many other views on this, one of them being that the meaning of life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain. Assuming this view, it follows from the rest of your argument that to purposely avoid masturbation is to be at odds with your natural end. Thank you for your response! I see what you are saying. However, my premise was not that the "meaning of life is to reproduce." Rather, I said that one of the two ends of intercourse itself is to procreate. I myself do not believe that the primary meaning of life is to reproduce. Moreover, you state that there are "many views on this [the meaning of life]." if what you said about my premise were true, which it is not, then we would be dealing with a broad subject that is outside of my argument's form. My argument draws its ultimate anime power from understanding the two ends of intercourse from the perspective of Natural Law. My argument, then, does not logically follow that to purposefully avoid masturbation is to be at odds with your natural end, given that "some view the meaning life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain." This would be an entirely different argument, one which I am not making. |
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Post by grntbg on Aug 16, 2020 17:43:20 GMT
hedonism is the way to go Hedonism is self-defeating and leads one down a path with no end as to the sensibility of one's "self indulgence." Happiness should be found in the enjoyment of what is provided by authority and in the very act of submission to authority. Unmoderated pleasure turns to barbarism and behavior against the imperative of the sum of our lives can only lead to defeat. Ne quid nimis. See that popular secular movements of "sexual liberation" have digressed from accepting individual hedonism to promoting the public demonstration of sin. Any popular adoption of hedonism only exemplifies the eventual result of a self-defeating practice with no apparent end. In devaluing moderation one only devalues their own. |
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Aug 16, 2020 18:10:44 GMT
I see a premise in your argument that the meaning of life is to reproduce. However, there are many other views on this, one of them being that the meaning of life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain. Assuming this view, it follows from the rest of your argument that to purposely avoid masturbation is to be at odds with your natural end. Thank you for your response! I see what you are saying. However, my premise was not that the "meaning of life is to reproduce." Rather, I said that one of the two ends of intercourse itself is to procreate. I myself do not believe that the primary meaning of life is to reproduce. Moreover, you state that there are "many views on this [the meaning of life]." if what you said about my premise were true, which it is not, then we would be dealing with a broad subject that is outside of my argument's form. My argument draws its ultimate anime power from understanding the two ends of intercourse from the perspective of Natural Law. My argument, then, does not logically follow that to purposefully avoid masturbation is to be at odds with your natural end, given that "some view the meaning life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain." This would be an entirely different argument, one which I am not making. In that case, I have trouble following your argument. Are you saying that it is evil to perform an action for any purpose other than to further the natural end of that action? |
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Thank you for your response.