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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 13, 2020 19:45:07 GMT
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Post by Telesphoreo on Aug 13, 2020 20:08:14 GMT
i mean, some places like amazon are just apps to show what you've purchased. if you take a look at prime video or kindle, you can't purchase anything at all. you have to do it from the website on amazon, and then it'll show up there. i don't understand why so many companies have been crying like this. apple can't stop companies like spotify from buying premium on their website. i understand why companies want IAP thru Apple. it makes money. i mean, it's really easy to face id and buy stuff without thinking twice. but when you have to go to a separate website, it really slows things down. apple has a monopoly over the app store, no doubt.
although, from my personal experience, i'd rather be using apples app store than the google play store. the apps for iphone are much more higher quality than those of android. that was one of the most noticeable things when comparing my 2016 Pixel vs. a 2015 iPhone 6s. The Android OS itself had slowed down so much, and yet the 6s blows through stuff when it was on iOS 10 and after I upgraded it to iOS 12.
as someone who has been a former apple developer and worked with Xcode and the app store, it quite literally is hell. the documentation is now poorly maintained, and it's nearly impossible to do anything without going through a gazillion articles. it is absolute hell to develop apps for on iPhone, no doubt, especially since you need a Mac to do so.
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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 13, 2020 20:22:14 GMT
apple can't stop companies like spotify from buying premium on their website. They sort of can, you can't as a developer offer a subscription that isn't through their app store. Spotify tried that, and got kicked off the app store for it... It's a bit shitty but equally it's apples app store... |
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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 13, 2020 20:22:34 GMT
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Post by taah on Aug 13, 2020 21:24:54 GMT
lol they have a whole ass video on the game when you login saying shit and being like #FreeFortnite
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Aug 13, 2020 21:42:24 GMT
The #FreeFortnite thing is interesting because it means Epic Games is not so subtly trying to get Apple to capitulate under bad PR. If you're wondering where all of this is coming from, Epic Games is just joining in on Microsoft, Facebook, Spotify, Telegram, and countless smaller developers such as Linus Sebastian, who all very recently criticized Apple's App Store terms and conditions. There's of course also the ongoing antitrust investigation by the European Union. TLDR is that Apple take a 30% cut of anything sold on their sales setup, and if you want in-app or subscriptions enabled in an app it must go through Apples subscription model. This does in reality tend to have consumer benefits, as it's easier to cancel the subscription in iTunes a lot of the time, but it costs developers 30% of their income as they are often also not allowed to inflate the price by 30% or they risk beingkicked off. To be fair, it's not very difficult to make iTunes the easiest way to cancel the subscription if you forbid developers from implementing a way to cancel the subscription within the app itself. |
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Post by Hockey on Aug 15, 2020 20:04:20 GMT
The App Store is a monopoly. It hurts consumers by driving up prices (many services charge a 30% fee to their subscription to account for Apple's ridiculous cut). Apple does not deserve 30% of anyone's business for providing file hosting and a search bar. Unless Apple starts allowing people to sideload apps and install apps through the files app and other alternative sideloaded app stores, they should be the subject of antitrust fines.
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Post by Lemon on Aug 15, 2020 22:45:38 GMT
The App Store is a monopoly. It hurts consumers by driving up prices (many services charge a 30% fee to their subscription to account for Apple's ridiculous cut). Apple does not deserve 30% of anyone's business for providing file hosting and a search bar. Unless Apple starts allowing people to sideload apps and install apps through the files app and other alternative sideloaded app stores, they should be the subject of antitrust fines. i mean google play store also has the same 30% (google also removed fortnite from the play store a bit after Apple removed) |
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Post by Wild1145 on Aug 15, 2020 23:06:20 GMT
The App Store is a monopoly. It hurts consumers by driving up prices (many services charge a 30% fee to their subscription to account for Apple's ridiculous cut). Apple does not deserve 30% of anyone's business for providing file hosting and a search bar. Unless Apple starts allowing people to sideload apps and install apps through the files app and other alternative sideloaded app stores, they should be the subject of antitrust fines. It's a tricky one for me, because I do sit somewhere in the middle. I agree that apple can remove apps that don't follow the App Store T&C's, it's their platform after all. I sort of agree that they should be able to restrict where apps can be installed from if it's their eco system, and it does genuinely improve security a lot of the time, and the iTunes subscription model 100% improves the subscription experience especially for shady developers. I do however think it's a bit of a dick move to restrict developers to only use the apple solution, and as Epic state, there should be an element of fair competition to allow the payment products to stand on their own merits, with that said though, if it's apple hardware and eco system, I can see why they wouldn't want to let people install externally, or loose a revenue source. In an ideal world you'd have other App Store ask things for iOS where the consumer can choose what to do with the hardware they own, but we seem to be moving away from that model and apple seem quite keen to encourage that. |
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Post by Hockey on Aug 16, 2020 15:47:47 GMT
The App Store is a monopoly. It hurts consumers by driving up prices (many services charge a 30% fee to their subscription to account for Apple's ridiculous cut). Apple does not deserve 30% of anyone's business for providing file hosting and a search bar. Unless Apple starts allowing people to sideload apps and install apps through the files app and other alternative sideloaded app stores, they should be the subject of antitrust fines. <snip> It does undoubtedly improve security, but apps are already pretty locked down in terms of what they can do. The most intrusive parts of an app (like location, reading contacts) require that you explicitly give permission to access those things. Even after Apple allows people to sideload apps, they could still keep a secure ecosystem by storing a list of known good/bad ipa file hashes. If a file is known to be harmful, then iOS gives a warning before installing. I really think this is the direction Apple needs to take. It'd be such a big win for iOS users in general. |
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