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Post by elmon on Aug 10, 2020 10:24:54 GMT
This is originally CurtainPoles 's suggestion I've just reworded it to fit in a thread rather than a DM With the restructure of staff being put in motion I think another change should be considered; a trial mod period. Due to the nature of new staff needing training and not always being fully trusted, seeing as they're new staff, I think they should be put into a "trial mod" rank for a month or 2 wherein if they perform well are automatically given full mod rank. The majority of big servers do this and I think it would make sense to implement it in this new ranking structure change.
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Post by CurtainPoles on Aug 10, 2020 10:42:56 GMT
Gotta vouch on my own suggestion.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 10:50:30 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation?
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Post by elmon on Aug 10, 2020 10:53:33 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation? Do we even do probation? I don't ever see anyone put on probation when they get accepted. It would essentially be the same but would make it mandatory for all newly accepted applicants to be put on probation, i.e. "trial mod".
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Post by CurtainPoles on Aug 10, 2020 10:55:02 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation? Mainly permissions. My original suggestion I sent to you in DM said that they can restricted/no access to telnet for there trial period, they can administrate in game, IMO this would get rid of the staff that are applying because they want telnet access, and it would give the senior admins (admins then) and executive team such as you time to evaluate there behaviour, if they have been a trial mod for 2 to 3+ months and have good performance, they could automatically go up to full moderator and get telnet access without having to apply, this would also allow us to remove them during their trial period if they weren't pulling their own weight and weren't administrating correctly or weren't active or whatever the reason could be, which could result in a much more improved staff team.
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 11:18:07 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation? Do we even do probation? I don't ever see anyone put on probation when they get accepted. It would essentially be the same but would make it mandatory for all newly accepted applicants to be put on probation, i.e. "trial mod". Yes
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 11:19:00 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation? Mainly permissions. My original suggestion I sent to you in DM said that they can restricted/no access to telnet for there trial period, they can administrate in game, IMO this would get rid of the staff that are applying because they want telnet access, and it would give the senior admins (admins then) and executive team such as you time to evaluate there behaviour, if they have been a trial mod for 2 to 3+ months and have good performance, they could automatically go up to full moderator and get telnet access without having to apply, this would also allow us to remove them during their trial period if they weren't pulling their own weight and weren't administrating correctly or weren't active or whatever the reason could be, which could result in a much more improved staff team. that sounds good, and would eliminate the notion that "telnet admins are more trusted than supers so why should they have the same permissions"
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Post by Mark the Dragon on Aug 10, 2020 11:20:04 GMT
have to ask, how is this different from probation? Its not, and thats the point of the suggestion. Also vouch
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Post by dog on Aug 10, 2020 12:02:42 GMT
vouch
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 10, 2020 12:14:02 GMT
Something like this will be put in place. I want it to become more difficult to become a mod than it was to gain super admin. I think this will improve our administration and by correlation the experience on the server. (core premise) approved
please keep giving your opinions though, incredibly valuable to me.
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Post by CurtainPoles on Aug 10, 2020 12:25:03 GMT
My suggestion which Kae has already been made aware of is the following:
For example 10 people successfully apply for trial mod, and they get accepted, after there 2 to 3 month or however long trial mod period, the EAO and their team hand pick, for example 60% of them to move onto moderator, so 6 of the best trial mods could be picked to become a moderator, the other 4 have to reapply, now I get that this sounds kind of cruel just to make them reapply but this gives us the ability to pick the best staff possible, making our team the best it can be. This system could really benefit the staff team IMO as it could improve the staff team drastically. Now, when a moderator wants to apply for admin (currently senior), I believe we should use the same or a similar system that we use now.
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Post by AshazTGA on Aug 10, 2020 12:44:33 GMT
My suggestion which Kae has already been made aware of is the following: For example 10 people successfully apply for trial mod, and they get accepted, after there 2 to 3 month or however long trial mod period, the EAO and their team hand pick, for example 60% of them to move onto moderator, so 6 of the best trial mods could be picked to become a moderator, the other 4 have to reapply, now I get that this sounds kind of cruel just to make them reapply but this gives us the ability to pick the best staff possible, making our team the best it can be. This system could really benefit the staff team IMO as it could improve the staff team drastically. Now, when a moderator wants to apply for admin (currently senior), I believe we should use the same or a similar system that we use now. Vouch for this. What if all the applicants are good though? The past 4-5 new admins have been excellent.
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Post by Mark the Dragon on Aug 10, 2020 12:47:14 GMT
My suggestion which Kae has already been made aware of is the following: For example 10 people successfully apply for trial mod, and they get accepted, after there 2 to 3 month or however long trial mod period, the EAO and their team hand pick, for example 60% of them to move onto moderator, so 6 of the best trial mods could be picked to become a moderator, the other 4 have to reapply, now I get that this sounds kind of cruel just to make them reapply but this gives us the ability to pick the best staff possible, making our team the best it can be. This system could really benefit the staff team IMO as it could improve the staff team drastically. Now, when a moderator wants to apply for admin (currently senior), I believe we should use the same or a similar system that we use now. I personally love this idea, it gives the younger people who have no experience applying for real jobs a chance to see how it goes and gives them experience on what to do when they actually apply for jobs. Maybe even add an interview section with basic questions on why they deserve to go out of the trial period while others dont and so on. This can be built on very stratigecaly to pick the best staff possible and I have many more ideas with this sorta thing. However I dont think the same premis should apply for Admins (SrA) :
My idea is that to get to the point of admin there should be no application but the executive team goes over every mods activity, performance and what ever else they decide to take into consideration and based on that pick a few people every decided period of time for a promotion, be it 5 - 10 seniors a year max in my opinion. So like every few months the audit of mods will begin by the execs and they would decide on 1 or 2 new admins if not any new admins at all. And to ensure there is no bias: It would be the EAO and their assistants along with 5 or more randomly selected seniors each time the audit takes place that ensures there is no bias Just like a court system with the jury The way this "jury" would be picked can be decided later of course as I dont have a definitive idea for it yet, but I will work on a whole system idea and forward it to EAO. These suggestions have been taken directly from a DM discussion about the potential new system between myself and the quoted admin.
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Post by Daniels on Aug 10, 2020 13:41:36 GMT
You could also add a rule where if you want to become an Admin, you will have to be in an Admin crew while you are a Trial Mod. This ensures that proper training will be given to the upcoming Admins and it will definitely boost their confidence when they are administrating.
ONT: Vouch. Really good idea.
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Post by Waspter on Aug 10, 2020 13:54:16 GMT
My suggestion which Kae has already been made aware of is the following: For example 10 people successfully apply for trial mod, and they get accepted, after there 2 to 3 month or however long trial mod period, the EAO and their team hand pick, for example 60% of them to move onto moderator, so 6 of the best trial mods could be picked to become a moderator, the other 4 have to reapply, now I get that this sounds kind of cruel just to make them reapply but this gives us the ability to pick the best staff possible, making our team the best it can be. This system could really benefit the staff team IMO as it could improve the staff team drastically. Now, when a moderator wants to apply for admin (currently senior), I believe we should use the same or a similar system that we use now. Is there some sort of criteria that the Trial Mods will be evaluated by? I personally think that if all the Trial Mods qualify, then they should all be accepted, not based off of what is "deemed best". This is oddly close to what Mineplex has as a system (something I may know a thing or two about as I was staff there), minus the Staff Management and mentoring, and the system where only the best Trial mods are picked. So far, I'm really liking the changes and looking forward to how it's going to turn out.
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