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Post by elmon on May 29, 2020 14:31:03 GMT
I find it quite ridiculous that they are ruining businesses and potentially peoples lives and livelihoods due to a generalization of an entire career when in reality it's a small number of bigots who define the rest of the police force. I'll directly quote what I wrote on Twitter in response to someone who is in agreement with the destruction of buildings. "What does burning down buildings and potentially ruining businesses achieve? Yeah, what the cops did is wrong but effectively you're slowly stooping down to their level... You're ruining innocent business owners due to the wrongdoing of racist cops. Two wrongs don't make a right. I get it, you feel hard done by and you have a right to, but this isn't the way to go about justice. You're generalizing an entire profession of people designed to help based on a small majority of workers who are bigots, I agree with the protests just not with the destroyal of businesses. You're making it out to seem that every single police officer in the entirety of the United States has it out for those of colour. By destroying these buildings you're also destroying innocent peoples lives." Along with this, it's really fucking dangerous. There are going to be more then few casualties during this riot. I agree with you about the fact that the extreme levels of violence in these riots is unnecessary, however, it's not about the amount of people in the profession that do it, it's about the racism involved and how the policemen generally get away with it if it's not an extreme case like this one. Black people are harassed by policemen all the time and while it may be a minority, the minority still generally gets away with it. I don't agree with how the riots are being carried out but at least it will force someone to do something about it.
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Post by square on May 29, 2020 14:46:48 GMT
I find it quite ridiculous that they are ruining businesses and potentially peoples lives and livelihoods due to a generalization of an entire career when in reality it's a small number of bigots who define the rest of the police force. I'll directly quote what I wrote on Twitter in response to someone who is in agreement with the destruction of buildings. "What does burning down buildings and potentially ruining businesses achieve? Yeah, what the cops did is wrong but effectively you're slowly stooping down to their level... You're ruining innocent business owners due to the wrongdoing of racist cops. Two wrongs don't make a right. I get it, you feel hard done by and you have a right to, but this isn't the way to go about justice. You're generalizing an entire profession of people designed to help based on a small majority of workers who are bigots, I agree with the protests just not with the destroyal of businesses. You're making it out to seem that every single police officer in the entirety of the United States has it out for those of colour. By destroying these buildings you're also destroying innocent peoples lives." Along with this, it's really fucking dangerous. There are going to be more then few casualties during this riot. I agree with you about the fact that the extreme levels of violence in these riots is unnecessary, however, it's not about the amount of people in the profession that do it, it's about the racism involved and how the policemen generally get away with it if it's not an extreme case like this one. Black people are harassed by policemen all the time and while it may be a minority, the minority still generally gets away with it. I don't agree with how the riots are being carried out but at least it will force someone to do something about it. I do not support police brutality at all however people smashing cops' windows who are just trying to do their job is not a good idea at all. While, yes, there have been cases in the US where police have done terrible acts I want to know how "the policemen generally get away with it" and "black people are harassed by policemen all the time". I assume I am missing something (I do not live in the US) however you need to look at the police's side of things and not generalise them to be racist murderers (talking to some people). About the riot itself, I agree with fionn. They're harming their communities and businesses suffragette-style bringing attention in the wrong way.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 14:51:30 GMT
Bit more fuel for the fire - oh you're fucking kidding me? yeah I can see why the entire fucking town is rioting Yeah, tbh was pretty amazed that happened, especially when they went "We're live on air at the moment, where do you want us to move to and we can move" and it was then just arresting them.
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Post by Daniels on May 29, 2020 14:53:46 GMT
RIP George Floyd. I find it despicable that the killer was only fired from the job, when there is evidence of George Floyd struggling to breathe and with the officer, Derek Chauvin, having his knee on his neck. Derek has had many complaints against him, and the fact that he ONLY gets fired from the job is fucking gruesome and hopefully, the American Justice System sorts this shit out, before the riots get even worse, with many casualties and fatalities.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 14:54:50 GMT
With the rioting, a lot of it won't actually be people who are protesting. A lot of it comes from opportunists thinking they can get away with robbing shit while there's other shit going on. It's a shame but it happened here a few years back when there were peaceful protests, then some people go in to try to make it get more violent / escalate it, and then a load of people go out and just rob and pillage shit.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 14:56:22 GMT
RIP George Floyd. I find it despicable that the killer was only fired from the job, when there is evidence of George Floyd struggling to breathe and with the officer, Derek Chauvin, having his knee on his neck. Derek has had many complaints against him, and the fact that he ONLY gets fired from the job is fucking gruesome and hopefully, the American Justice System sorts this shit out, before the riots get even worse, with many casualties and fatalities. I don't think they've said they won't look at a criminal case, I think it's more that those sorts of things actually can take weeks to get in line, otherwise you arrest them, take them to court and it gets thrown out for stupid reasons...
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Post by Daniels on May 29, 2020 15:00:13 GMT
RIP George Floyd. I find it despicable that the killer was only fired from the job, when there is evidence of George Floyd struggling to breathe and with the officer, Derek Chauvin, having his knee on his neck. Derek has had many complaints against him, and the fact that he ONLY gets fired from the job is fucking gruesome and hopefully, the American Justice System sorts this shit out, before the riots get even worse, with many casualties and fatalities. I don't think they've said they won't look at a criminal case, I think it's more that those sorts of things actually can take weeks to get in line, otherwise you arrest them, take them to court and it gets thrown out for stupid reasons... But this is of a higher significance because it is literally the murder of an innocent, unarmed man who was attacked and killed due to the colour of his skin. This is a huge problem in America, and the fact that the system is setting the example that police can brutally kill people with a singular consequence of losing their job, really depicts that police are semi-immune to the consequences that a normal citizen would get.
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Post by xfilez on May 29, 2020 15:06:44 GMT
oh you're fucking kidding me? yeah I can see why the entire fucking town is rioting Yeah, tbh was pretty amazed that happened, especially when they went "We're live on air at the moment, where do you want us to move to and we can move" and it was then just arresting them. I've been reading more about it since it happened. Apparently the Governor is quite apologetic over the incident and they've since been released. That also saying, apparently they asked a white man for CNN credentials and they said he's okay to be there. Another white report in a block over wasn't arrested either. I think that's going to be the equivalent of a tonne of oil on the fire.
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Post by Daniels on May 29, 2020 15:08:23 GMT
Yeah, tbh was pretty amazed that happened, especially when they went "We're live on air at the moment, where do you want us to move to and we can move" and it was then just arresting them. I've been reading more about it since it happened. Apparently the Governor is quite apologetic over the incident and they've since been released. That also saying, apparently they asked a white man for CNN credentials and they said he's okay to be there. Another white report in a block over wasn't arrested either. I think that's going to be the equivalent of a tonne of oil on the fire. Holy shit, this just conveys how fucked America actually is.
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Post by elmon on May 29, 2020 15:16:23 GMT
I agree with you about the fact that the extreme levels of violence in these riots is unnecessary, however, it's not about the amount of people in the profession that do it, it's about the racism involved and how the policemen generally get away with it if it's not an extreme case like this one. Black people are harassed by policemen all the time and while it may be a minority, the minority still generally gets away with it. I don't agree with how the riots are being carried out but at least it will force someone to do something about it. I do not support police brutality at all however people smashing cops' windows who are just trying to do their job is not a good idea at all. While, yes, there have been cases in the US where police have done terrible acts I want to know how "the policemen generally get away with it" and "black people are harassed by policemen all the time". I assume I am missing something (I do not live in the US) however you need to look at the police's side of things and not generalise them to be racist murderers (talking to some people). I don't think policemen are racist murderers. There is just a habit of general racial profiling where cops will "randomly" stop and search someone because they looked like they are from a minority, I have family members that have experienced this personally. There are legit cases of black undercover cops being stopped and searched by other cops simply because of their skin color. If you want more information about it: www.aclu.org/report/driving-while-black-racial-profiling-our-nations-highwaysAs I stated before I obviously don't agree with the way the riots are being carried and out and I agree with fionn on that part. I was just pointing out that there is a legitimate reasoning behind the outrage.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 15:33:52 GMT
I don't think they've said they won't look at a criminal case, I think it's more that those sorts of things actually can take weeks to get in line, otherwise you arrest them, take them to court and it gets thrown out for stupid reasons... But this is of a higher significance because it is literally the murder of an innocent, unarmed man who was attacked and killed due to the colour of his skin. This is a huge problem in America, and the fact that the system is setting the example that police can brutally kill people with a singular consequence of losing their job, really depicts that police are semi-immune to the consequences that a normal citizen would get. No, that's what the media have presented the story as. We really don't know anything right now. If this is rushed it will be more damaging than all of what's currently happening. If this is rushed, it'll go to court, and it'll be thrown out, at which point you can't re-try someone for the same crime twice...
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 15:35:05 GMT
Yeah, tbh was pretty amazed that happened, especially when they went "We're live on air at the moment, where do you want us to move to and we can move" and it was then just arresting them. I've been reading more about it since it happened. Apparently the Governor is quite apologetic over the incident and they've since been released. That also saying, apparently they asked a white man for CNN credentials and they said he's okay to be there. Another white report in a block over wasn't arrested either. I think that's going to be the equivalent of a tonne of oil on the fire. Yeah I'd seen the same, and I hope to think it's a genuine mid-understanding or it's been mos-represented to us and they had been told to move and refused, but it's certainly not how it'll be perceived.
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Post by mibbzz on May 29, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
ok but why burn stores as if it has anything to do with the guy? it just seems to me like theyre looking for a reason to fuck around lol Some of them did, they also targeted corporate buildings while some mom & pop shops were deliberately ignored and left fine. The target for instance had donated & worked with the police department in the past, and refused to sell milk to protesters which had been tear gassed. In the middle of a riot, there's sides and the Target picked the cops side. They have insurance and will be fine.
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Post by miwo on May 29, 2020 17:54:07 GMT
But this is of a higher significance because it is literally the murder of an innocent, unarmed man who was attacked and killed due to the colour of his skin. This is a huge problem in America, and the fact that the system is setting the example that police can brutally kill people with a singular consequence of losing their job, really depicts that police are semi-immune to the consequences that a normal citizen would get. No, that's what the media have presented the story as. We really don't know anything right now. If this is rushed it will be more damaging than all of what's currently happening. If this is rushed, it'll go to court, and it'll be thrown out, at which point you can't re-try someone for the same crime twice... What a crock of horseshit. I can name you several hundred cases (if not more) of black people being oppressed by the policy force in the USA. This is not how "the media is representing it" - it is a fact that minorities get sentenced harsher than whites; that minority neighborhoods are far more policed than white, despite the crime rate being equal; that these stories pop up every now and then just to give the US populus a reminder of segregation. There is yet to be any real justice in regards to police abuse of minority communities, and that simply demonstrates the tension present in American culture. The harshest sentence the officer(s) will get will be manslaughter, which is still not close to true "justice".
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Post by Wild1145 on May 29, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
No, that's what the media have presented the story as. We really don't know anything right now. If this is rushed it will be more damaging than all of what's currently happening. If this is rushed, it'll go to court, and it'll be thrown out, at which point you can't re-try someone for the same crime twice... What a crock of horseshit. I can name you several hundred cases (if not more) of black people being oppressed by the policy force in the USA. This is not how "the media is representing it" - it is a fact that minorities get sentenced harsher than whites; that minority neighborhoods are far more policed than white, despite the crime rate being equal; that these stories pop up every now and then just to give the US populus a reminder of segregation. There is yet to be any real justice in regards to police abuse of minority communities, and that simply demonstrates the tension present in American culture. The harshest sentence the officer(s) will get will be manslaughter, which is still not close to true "justice". Perhaps my point had been missed here... My point is the criminal justice system convicts someone of a crime, not the media. Until a case it put together that can actually stand half a chance of standing up in court, you can't just arrest people. It doesn't matter if we all think it's the right thing to do, it's not how the law works. I'm not going to pretend I know much about the US Legal system or the racial issues that you're talking about, because I don't, I just know that when you instinctively do shit in response to the media 'Speculation' you end up quietly loosing the case and justice is never served. Also for reference, he's been charged with murder as of about 2mins ago -
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