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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 1:59:36 GMT
This may be my 50th thread today, but I needed to apologize for the actions that were committed. On May 8th, 2020, (1) I, sent pornographic images to a staff member. Under no circumstance was the pictures I sent of a minor. Now, I know sending explicit images wasn't very mature of me, not at all. I sent them to lyicx , a staff member here at TotalFreedom, then proceeded to send them to another staff member, banteroussor . Like I said in the clearing my name thread, I was feeling quite lonely and wanted to make new friends. Definitely not a valid excuse on my part, but was unfortunately, true. I'm now realizing that sending explicit images, is not a convenient way to make new friends and to reimburse times that were lost due to my inactivity. It was incredibly selfish of me to send any pictures relating to nudes. As I'm trying to remember the exact situation, I willingly joke about saying that they're my ex's nudes. Stupid reason, definitely. Saying that probably spiked up the reaction and classifying it as child pornography. But under no circumstance were they a minor, I may of said they were, but they weren't. On May 8th, 2020, (2), I re-met with Nero, neroblackcat . Me being the immature self I am, I asked her if I was hot, she replied with "i guess". Me taking that as she likes me, and didn't fully understand her age until after the situation, I kept saying that she has a crush on me, she loves me, saying I'm hotter than her and asking if I'm hot. Me being me, I thought she was still under the age of 18 and called her cute, said she had a cute voice, etc. The allegations on me said I was sexually harassing her, the definition of sexual harassment states: . In no way was I asking for sexual requests, or make any explicit term under sexual harassment. The actions I've committed was completely unjustified of me and should of not happened and I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that took place.
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Post by JagWire on Aug 1, 2020 2:13:12 GMT
I personally will not accept this apology right away. On the basis that this steps much further than "being immature".
For starters, why would you just randomly send someone explicit images out of the blue?
Also, if you're gonna troll and say they were your "exes nudes", that just gives reasonable belief that the images you sent were underage, considering your own age as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 2:15:39 GMT
I personally will not accept this apology right away. On the basis that this steps much further than "being immature". For starters, why would you just randomly send someone explicit images out of the blue? Also, if you're gonna lie and say they were your "exes nudes", that just gives reasonable belief that the images you sent were underage, considering your own age as well. I see you didn't read the entire thread, or just skimmed through it. I was feeling lonely and wanted to make friends, like I said no excuse. Considering I don't got any of my ex's nudes, never saved them, I wouldn't be able to send them. Understanding the law, I would definitely get some time behind bars.
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Post by JagWire on Aug 1, 2020 2:17:10 GMT
I personally will not accept this apology right away. On the basis that this steps much further than "being immature". For starters, why would you just randomly send someone explicit images out of the blue? Also, if you're gonna lie and say they were your "exes nudes", that just gives reasonable belief that the images you sent were underage, considering your own age as well. I see you didn't read the entire thread, or just skimmed through it. I was feeling lonely and wanted to make friends, like I said no excuse. Considering I don't got any of my ex's nudes, never saved them, I wouldn't be able to send them. Understanding the law, I would definitely get some time behind bars. Ah yes, the friendship of sending another minor explicit images. A simple "Hello" is normally the first step to greeting someone.
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Post by 97 on Aug 1, 2020 2:18:19 GMT
It's going to take some time for me to accept this apology too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 2:19:06 GMT
I see you didn't read the entire thread, or just skimmed through it. I was feeling lonely and wanted to make friends, like I said no excuse. Considering I don't got any of my ex's nudes, never saved them, I wouldn't be able to send them. Understanding the law, I would definitely get some time behind bars. Ah yes, the friendship of sending another minor explicit images. A simple "Hello" is normally the first step to greeting someone. I know this Jag. I've taken that into consideration a long time ago. Obviously, I've learned from this mistake.
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Post by burger on Aug 1, 2020 2:20:42 GMT
Not accepted, what you did was inappropriate and disgusting.
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Post by fionn on Aug 1, 2020 2:22:30 GMT
yeah i don't accept this sending unsolicited nudes itself is fucked up but saying they were a '16/17 year olds' in vc was worse...
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Post by mattlawn on Aug 1, 2020 2:23:28 GMT
i want the server to be known but not like this so no
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Post by Darth on Aug 1, 2020 2:25:26 GMT
I don't accept this apology. What I really hate is that you can't be a female on the internet without a bunch of thirsty teens in a basement trying to flirt with you. Knowing nero, she was incredibly uncomfortable with the comments you were making. Try that in real life, and you'll be slapped - what you were doing was, in fact, sexual harassment.
"I asked her if I was hot, she replied with "i guess".
Me taking that as she likes me, and didn't fully understand her age until after the situation, I kept saying that she has a crush on me, she loves me, saying I'm hotter than her and asking if I'm hot."
You forced an answer out of her. At no point did she even hint that she was interested, and you're saying she's cute when you've never even seen her face. It's crystal clear that she was uncomfortable, and nero isn't the type of person to offend people.
First of all, don't date on the internet. Just don't. Second, if you wanted to make friends then just DM them and ask to hang out, or join the VC on the Discord server. Third, don't treat someone differently for being a female. I know multiple admins on TF that either lie and say they're guys, or hide their gender because they are afraid of harassment. Don't contribute to that fear.
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Post by mattlawn on Aug 1, 2020 2:28:04 GMT
i dont even know if its a good idea to have him on the server
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Post by zeseryu on Aug 1, 2020 2:32:02 GMT
I think this is a good first step for Joen. If he shows his willingness to try to repair relationships and be a benefit to the server then i personally dont see anything wrong with him being here.
He has remorse, he understands what he did wasn't right. He's been banned from the discord for the past 3 months because of it.
I want to see his next actions in the following couple of weeks, thats what will make me decide if i accept his apology or not
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Post by JagWire on Aug 1, 2020 2:32:53 GMT
I don't accept this apology. What I really hate is that you can't be a female on the internet without a bunch of thirsty teens in a basement trying to flirt with you. Knowing nero, she was incredibly uncomfortable with the comments you were making. Try that in real life, and you'll be slapped - what you were doing was, in fact, sexual harassment. "I asked her if I was hot, she replied with "i guess". Me taking that as she likes me, and didn't fully understand her age until after the situation, I kept saying that she has a crush on me, she loves me, saying I'm hotter than her and asking if I'm hot." You forced an answer out of her. At no point did she even hint that she was interested, and you're saying she's cute when you've never even seen her face. It's crystal clear that she was uncomfortable, and nero isn't the type of person to offend people. First of all, don't date on the internet. Just don't. Second, if you wanted to make friends then just DM them and ask to hang out, or join the VC on the Discord server. Third, don't treat someone differently for being a female. I know multiple admins on TF that either lie and say they're guys, or hide their gender because they are afraid of harassment. Don't contribute to that fear. A reminder it was only recent that we found out lykhant was a girl, and they didn't want anyone to find out for this reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 2:33:49 GMT
I think this is a good first step for Joen. If he shows his willingness to try to repair relationships and be a benefit to the server then i personally dont see anything wrong with him being here. He has remorse, he understands what he did wasn't right. He's been banned from the discord for the past 3 months because of it. I want to see his next actions in the following couple of weeks, thats what will make me decide if i accept his apology or not Like I said in your DM, I just got my driving permit, that's a huge responsibility and you definitely need maturity for it. I got that a month after this all happened due to COVID-19.
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Post by fxunctions on Aug 1, 2020 3:59:43 GMT
Like I said in your DM, I just got my driving permit, that's a huge responsibility and you definitely need maturity for it. I got that a month after this all happened due to COVID-19. I'm sorry but... you can be immature and get your permit. It takes more than just a driving permit to prove your maturity. Making an admin reinstatement before an apology thread was a mistake. What you should have done is made an apology then regained reputation in the Total Freedom community, found ways that merit getting your status reinstated, then made your reinstatement. To me, this isn't meaningful at all. You have not proven in any way that you have matured since the incident and it seems every time you come back into this community, your reputation decreases. You definitely need more time, judging by the responses here and your admin application. You need to reflect on yourself harder. You cannot keep wasting the chances this community keeps giving you. Joe, you need to prove maturity by showing evidence of beneficial things you've done to help the TF community, not by saying "I just got my driving permit". I definitely do think at some point you should be forgiven, but now is not the time.
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