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Post by ???TheHour on Jul 23, 2020 23:59:21 GMT
Today there was a thread (see:https://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67736/forum-sanction-request-ashaztga) where a forum sanction request was made. In said request the evidence was presented out of context and with quotes. It took about 10hours before valid evidence with context was shown. I recommend that in these requests evidence MUST be presented as follows: -In screenshot form -OR with a link directing to the thread where the posts in question are located - OR with quotes in where context must be give (see:https://totalfreedom.boards.net/post/770994/thread for what I find to be a good example of such) See Edit 2 on the reason this may not be a good format - In the case of permbans either screenshots or copy and pasted logs from console/telnet This will help minimize confusion and will streamline reports instead of having to wait 10 hours to be provided with evidence that has proper context.
Edit: As mattlawn pointed out there are valid exceptions such as "where evidence would be against the law or possibly have a detrimental effect on someones health. In these situations as much transparency as possible should be given without exposing others to illegal content or similar. These situations should however include when possible relevant Direct Messages that are not illegal that are able to give context to why drastic measures were taken.
Edit 2:https://totalfreedom.boards.net/post/771037/thread
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Darth
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Post by Darth on Jul 24, 2020 0:05:08 GMT
Vouch
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Post by mattlawn on Jul 24, 2020 0:15:24 GMT
vouch unless it is something like what was alleged in fionns case
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Post by ???TheHour on Jul 24, 2020 0:16:50 GMT
vouch unless it is something like what was alleged in fionns case I'll edit to include exceptions E: Added an exception, if anyone has further amendments they think this suggestion should have please let me know.
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Post by burger on Jul 24, 2020 0:23:56 GMT
Vouch
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Dr. PeePee
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Post by Dr. PeePee on Jul 24, 2020 0:41:35 GMT
Vouch. Evidence is key to forming a peecision.
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Post by XenVoltz on Jul 24, 2020 0:55:06 GMT
Vouch.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 24, 2020 2:29:24 GMT
Vouch. Evidence is key to forming a peecision. I vouch for this reason specifically.
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Post by shrimp on Jul 24, 2020 2:37:18 GMT
Vouch. Evidence is key to forming a peecision. I vouch for this reason specifically. I also vouch for this reason specifically.
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 24, 2020 8:53:22 GMT
I vouch for this reason specifically. I also vouch for this reason specifically. I also vou- nevermind Vouch
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Post by dog on Jul 24, 2020 9:03:30 GMT
I vouch for this reason specifically. I also vouch for this reason specifically. I as well vouch for this reason specifically.
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Post by Feueristic on Jul 24, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
Vouch. The fact that this is a thing that people had to request and not done automatically somewhat worries me... In the case of permbans either screenshots or copy and pasted logs from console/telnet Would like to raise a concern that rylie. has said before (not in exact words but should be close enough): Copy-pasted logs in text form can be easily edited while screenshots are less prone to this. Of course admins who have access to logs can verify the truthfulness, normal people sadly can't and I'd say this is a good balance to require screenshots instead of straight text. OR with quotes in where context must be [given] I believe this is redundant. If the quotes contain the context, that means the post exists either within reach of normal OPs or is in admin boards. Then either you can take an entire screenshot of the board if it is not accessible to normal people or just link the thread, which is your 2nd point.
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Post by elmon on Jul 24, 2020 10:30:10 GMT
Vouch. The fact that this is a thing that people had to request and not done automatically somewhat worries me... In the case of permbans either screenshots or copy and pasted logs from console/telnet Would like to raise a concern that rylie. has said before (not in exact words but should be close enough): Copy-pasted logs in text form can be easily edited while screenshots are less prone to this. Of course admins who have access to logs can verify the truthfulness, normal people sadly can't and I'd say this is a good balance to require screenshots instead of straight text. OR with quotes in where context must be [given] I believe this is redundant. If the quotes contain the context, that means the post exists either within reach of normal OPs or is in admin boards. Then either you can take an entire screenshot of the board if it is not accessible to normal people or just link the thread, which is your 2nd point. I agree with you, but not with the copy pasted logs point. The way the logs work is you download a log file (either .txt or .log) and you open it in a text file, so if you were to edit the logs you could do it before screenshotting anyway. If you're caught faking logs the sanction is pretty severe so I doubt anyone would do it, and it is easily verifiable by a large percentage of the active community on the forums
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Post by ???TheHour on Jul 24, 2020 17:00:22 GMT
Vouch. The fact that this is a thing that people had to request and not done automatically somewhat worries me... In the case of permbans either screenshots or copy and pasted logs from console/telnet Would like to raise a concern that rylie. has said before (not in exact words but should be close enough): Copy-pasted logs in text form can be easily edited while screenshots are less prone to this. Of course admins who have access to logs can verify the truthfulness, normal people sadly can't and I'd say this is a good balance to require screenshots instead of straight text. OR with quotes in where context must be [given] I believe this is redundant. If the quotes contain the context, that means the post exists either within reach of normal OPs or is in admin boards. Then either you can take an entire screenshot of the board if it is not accessible to normal people or just link the thread, which is your 2nd point. I'll revise the format with this in mind
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Post by CoolJWB on Jul 24, 2020 17:15:37 GMT
Vouch, it's hard to vote without clear evidence and will sometimes lead to missplaced votes when the evidence isn't clear enough.
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