Post by zeseryu on Jul 22, 2020 23:21:22 GMT
We have been talking to Zaid recently, and he wanted to clear up some things. This is not meant to cause any drama, he simply wants to clear his name. Whether you believe it or not is up to you, and I highly doubt he actually cares.
I just want to thank Zaid. He has been incredibly helpful in multiple IA tasks. He has done nothing but shown his passion for TF and its community since being removed / suspended. Hopefully this does clear up preconceived ideas about what went down during his EAO tensure and the time period after it.
Here's Zaid's report. Note that nobody is going to get suspended or banned from this, he simply just wanted to prove his innocence and we provided a way he could.
The "smartnt" group consisted of kai, florence, nero, robin, seth, ivan, zaid, premintex, and lionnco.
"I want to preface this by saying that the time of the suspension was incredibly conveniently timed for smartnt group members. Only a few days earlier, I had a massive disagreement with them about Panther being allowed on the server without appealing his ban. This led to tensions between me and Seth/Robin/Ivan. I genuinely do believe that the cause of my suspension was to get rid of me because of this disagreement.
The first part of my suspension/permban was when Super made a thread titled "insanity" regarding certain people harassing Ron in server-chat while he was on. So, when I, along with about 3 other admins were suspended due to that thread, I was genuinely confused as to who the thread was even about. I was neutral with Ron at the time so I had assumed that the thread was somehow about Panther/Lasharn. As you can see if my replies/new thread below, I was responding to the thread as if it were about Panther, simply because I had literally no interaction with Ron.
gyazo.com/8dcfa7fc89b49edf8f1819778fd8547c
gyazo.com/a73193c6b04a4c225cefa34b9f99f6fc
So, the whole time, I thought that this thread was about me “harassing” Panther somehow, despite him being perm banned on all server platforms. Seeing how unreasonable my ban was, I challenged it on the forum, in a respectful manner. The thing is, when you have the most powerful people on the forum changing the narrative, it is extremely hard to prove the truth to others. Eventually, everyone else was unsuspended, except for me, who on top of being suspended, was now facing a 2 week ban from all TF platforms (conveniently so I couldn’t defend myself and prove that the suspension was complete BS).
Here’s a statement from Super about who the thread was really about: “well it was mainly targeting the people who harassed ron (kai, ivan, and florence and exposing them for being ignorant and careless about another person's feelings”
So, at this point, there wasn’t anything suspension or ban worthy. So how do you get the second most powerful person on the server at the time banned without anyone questioning it? By making up rules on the spot.
I was reported by Nero for “1.Personal attacks and flame wars. Attacking other members personally, esp. when combined with juvenile profanities will result in your post being deleted with potential sanctions. You can disagree with another member's post but keep it respectful, and debate the point being made as opposed to attacking the person making the point. Also, do not respond in kind to personal attacks - simply flag the offending post. If you respond to a personal attack with a personal attack, your post will be deleted and you will be subject to sanctions.”
Here’s the only evidence provided of that:
i.ibb.co/4PkgzQ9/zaid3.png
i.ibb.co/qpyBxbq/zaid2.png
i.ibb.co/WnxJr9V/zaid1.png
As you can see, 3 forum posts respectfully refuting my false suspension is far from a “flame war.” And most TF admins could see that, so, in an unprecedented move, screenshots from a private Discord, not associated with TF in any way, shape, or form, were used against me to get me banned.
As Nero said, “Here's screenshots of him harassing me outside of the server and it's forums”, something completely against any policy at the time. Since when can people get banned for calling someone a bitch in a private GC? Regardless, Nero played on people’s emotions and got me banned. You know how the TF herd mentality works, after a few vouched by the smartnt GC members, everyone else was vouching as well.
Now people were alleging that I had went “insane” and had a “meltdown”. You can imagine how this felt, having done literally nothing bannable (or even warnable) and then being defamed across TF platforms.
Somewhere along this timeline, I apparently was labelled antisemitic. The proof for this was a few jokes, including telling Nero to “read a Torah hunty” and “don’t give jews power”. Everyone in the GC, including Nero herself, knew that this was a joke, as this was before zero tolerance and Seth himself was dropping hard r’s on the daily. To add to this the rules at the time stated: . Ethnic, racist, religious, sexual, sexual orientation type slurs, insults, and harassment. However, if the slurs, insults, or harassment is clearly a joke with no negative intent, then nothing needs to be done.
Considering me and Nero were friends at the time, this policy couldn’t have been broken.
So, quick timeline:
1- I have a disagreement with smartnt
2- My roles are taken away temporarily by Nero in the TF discord (goes against chain of command)
3- I am suspended for allegedly harassing Ron.
4- I assume the suspension is in regards to Panther, turns out it wasn’t.
5- Everyone who actually harassed Ron was unsuspended, except me despite not having spoke to Ron.
6- I am banned for arguing respectfully on the forum and then banned from the server and Discord (the Discord ban was against policy btw)
7- I am suspended for antisemitism
Other useful references:
totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65798/ban-somebody-policy
totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65777/insanity-2-exclusive"
Any drama / personal attacks will get moderated. If anybody apart of this conflict wishes to give their opinion or refute points made here then i'll allow that.
I just want to thank Zaid. He has been incredibly helpful in multiple IA tasks. He has done nothing but shown his passion for TF and its community since being removed / suspended. Hopefully this does clear up preconceived ideas about what went down during his EAO tensure and the time period after it.
Here's Zaid's report. Note that nobody is going to get suspended or banned from this, he simply just wanted to prove his innocence and we provided a way he could.
The "smartnt" group consisted of kai, florence, nero, robin, seth, ivan, zaid, premintex, and lionnco.
"I want to preface this by saying that the time of the suspension was incredibly conveniently timed for smartnt group members. Only a few days earlier, I had a massive disagreement with them about Panther being allowed on the server without appealing his ban. This led to tensions between me and Seth/Robin/Ivan. I genuinely do believe that the cause of my suspension was to get rid of me because of this disagreement.
The first part of my suspension/permban was when Super made a thread titled "insanity" regarding certain people harassing Ron in server-chat while he was on. So, when I, along with about 3 other admins were suspended due to that thread, I was genuinely confused as to who the thread was even about. I was neutral with Ron at the time so I had assumed that the thread was somehow about Panther/Lasharn. As you can see if my replies/new thread below, I was responding to the thread as if it were about Panther, simply because I had literally no interaction with Ron.
gyazo.com/8dcfa7fc89b49edf8f1819778fd8547c
gyazo.com/a73193c6b04a4c225cefa34b9f99f6fc
So, the whole time, I thought that this thread was about me “harassing” Panther somehow, despite him being perm banned on all server platforms. Seeing how unreasonable my ban was, I challenged it on the forum, in a respectful manner. The thing is, when you have the most powerful people on the forum changing the narrative, it is extremely hard to prove the truth to others. Eventually, everyone else was unsuspended, except for me, who on top of being suspended, was now facing a 2 week ban from all TF platforms (conveniently so I couldn’t defend myself and prove that the suspension was complete BS).
Here’s a statement from Super about who the thread was really about: “well it was mainly targeting the people who harassed ron (kai, ivan, and florence and exposing them for being ignorant and careless about another person's feelings”
So, at this point, there wasn’t anything suspension or ban worthy. So how do you get the second most powerful person on the server at the time banned without anyone questioning it? By making up rules on the spot.
I was reported by Nero for “1.Personal attacks and flame wars. Attacking other members personally, esp. when combined with juvenile profanities will result in your post being deleted with potential sanctions. You can disagree with another member's post but keep it respectful, and debate the point being made as opposed to attacking the person making the point. Also, do not respond in kind to personal attacks - simply flag the offending post. If you respond to a personal attack with a personal attack, your post will be deleted and you will be subject to sanctions.”
Here’s the only evidence provided of that:
i.ibb.co/4PkgzQ9/zaid3.png
i.ibb.co/qpyBxbq/zaid2.png
i.ibb.co/WnxJr9V/zaid1.png
As you can see, 3 forum posts respectfully refuting my false suspension is far from a “flame war.” And most TF admins could see that, so, in an unprecedented move, screenshots from a private Discord, not associated with TF in any way, shape, or form, were used against me to get me banned.
As Nero said, “Here's screenshots of him harassing me outside of the server and it's forums”, something completely against any policy at the time. Since when can people get banned for calling someone a bitch in a private GC? Regardless, Nero played on people’s emotions and got me banned. You know how the TF herd mentality works, after a few vouched by the smartnt GC members, everyone else was vouching as well.
Now people were alleging that I had went “insane” and had a “meltdown”. You can imagine how this felt, having done literally nothing bannable (or even warnable) and then being defamed across TF platforms.
Somewhere along this timeline, I apparently was labelled antisemitic. The proof for this was a few jokes, including telling Nero to “read a Torah hunty” and “don’t give jews power”. Everyone in the GC, including Nero herself, knew that this was a joke, as this was before zero tolerance and Seth himself was dropping hard r’s on the daily. To add to this the rules at the time stated: . Ethnic, racist, religious, sexual, sexual orientation type slurs, insults, and harassment. However, if the slurs, insults, or harassment is clearly a joke with no negative intent, then nothing needs to be done.
Considering me and Nero were friends at the time, this policy couldn’t have been broken.
So, quick timeline:
1- I have a disagreement with smartnt
2- My roles are taken away temporarily by Nero in the TF discord (goes against chain of command)
3- I am suspended for allegedly harassing Ron.
4- I assume the suspension is in regards to Panther, turns out it wasn’t.
5- Everyone who actually harassed Ron was unsuspended, except me despite not having spoke to Ron.
6- I am banned for arguing respectfully on the forum and then banned from the server and Discord (the Discord ban was against policy btw)
7- I am suspended for antisemitism
Other useful references:
totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65798/ban-somebody-policy
totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65777/insanity-2-exclusive"
Any drama / personal attacks will get moderated. If anybody apart of this conflict wishes to give their opinion or refute points made here then i'll allow that.
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