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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 18, 2020 9:43:03 GMT
Then they shouldn't have been an admin if they couldn't be bothered to read 1 reasonably long thread But it's not intended only for admins, the policy is just as much for OPs. If it was necessary to have an unbelievably long conduct policy then most other servers would have one too For reference: this is hypixels 'behaviour that is not allowed:' Behaviour which is not allowed:
- Discrimination - negative comments related to skin colour, gender, or other personal qualities. - Overuse of bad language - Trolling players - Insulting other players in any way - Encouraging violence or hatred towards other players - Falsifying information about other players - Sharing another player’s personal information without their permission - Media Advertising - posting links to YouTube, Twitter, SnapChat etc (exception for YouTube rank) - Spamming - pasting the same or similar messages over and over - Intentionally avoiding the chat filter - Talking about self-harm, or other deeply negative experiences - Advertising giveaways (in Lobbies and forums)
You seem to keep missing the point I'm making though. I'm not against changes to the conduct policy, I've been a vocal supporter of it, I just think this was poorly executed. The rules have been too oversimplified and are far more subjective now. Please also consider, the odds are Hypixel have both far better trained staff (Given a lot are paid...) and likely a massive internal guide for their staff to follow that is probably more detailed than our original conduct policy. I don't mind simplifying rules, but we've lost a hell of a lot of the detail and info that was useful.
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Post by elmon on Jul 18, 2020 9:55:42 GMT
But it's not intended only for admins, the policy is just as much for OPs. If it was necessary to have an unbelievably long conduct policy then most other servers would have one too For reference: this is hypixels 'behaviour that is not allowed:' Behaviour which is not allowed:
- Discrimination - negative comments related to skin colour, gender, or other personal qualities. - Overuse of bad language - Trolling players - Insulting other players in any way - Encouraging violence or hatred towards other players - Falsifying information about other players - Sharing another player’s personal information without their permission - Media Advertising - posting links to YouTube, Twitter, SnapChat etc (exception for YouTube rank) - Spamming - pasting the same or similar messages over and over - Intentionally avoiding the chat filter - Talking about self-harm, or other deeply negative experiences - Advertising giveaways (in Lobbies and forums)
You seem to keep missing the point I'm making though. I'm not against changes to the conduct policy, I've been a vocal supporter of it, I just think this was poorly executed. The rules have been too oversimplified and are far more subjective now. Please also consider, the odds are Hypixel have both far better trained staff (Given a lot are paid...) and likely a massive internal guide for their staff to follow that is probably more detailed than our original conduct policy. I don't mind simplifying rules, but we've lost a hell of a lot of the detail and info that was useful. That sounds like a good idea actually, having a post in super admin lounge or something that gives a lot more detail into how punishments are supposed to handed out while keeping the conduct policy simple so OPs actually read it. Anyway, nothing is stopping you or anyone else from creating a suggestion to refine the current conduct policy if you deem necessary
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 18, 2020 9:59:55 GMT
You seem to keep missing the point I'm making though. I'm not against changes to the conduct policy, I've been a vocal supporter of it, I just think this was poorly executed. The rules have been too oversimplified and are far more subjective now. Please also consider, the odds are Hypixel have both far better trained staff (Given a lot are paid...) and likely a massive internal guide for their staff to follow that is probably more detailed than our original conduct policy. I don't mind simplifying rules, but we've lost a hell of a lot of the detail and info that was useful. That sounds like a good idea actually, having a post in super admin lounge or something that gives a lot more detail into how punishments are supposed to handed out while keeping the conduct policy simple so OPs actually read it. Anyway, nothing is stopping you or anyone else from creating a suggestion to refine the current conduct policy if you deem necessary I don't feel we should need to make a suggestion to fix a conduct policy we were not consulted on... Which has been my entire point here. It's woefully inadequate as has been proven by this thread by people other than me. You seem to gloss over the fact that this was rushed in (Or it looks like it) with no community engagement on the change and no vote to see if the community are happy with it... Again not feeling very community driven.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 18, 2020 10:03:11 GMT
Then they shouldn't have been an admin if they couldn't be bothered to read 1 reasonably long thread But it's not intended only for admins, the policy is just as much for OPs. If it was necessary to have an unbelievably long conduct policy then most other servers would have one too For reference: this is hypixels 'behaviour that is not allowed:' Behaviour which is not allowed:
- Discrimination - negative comments related to skin colour, gender, or other personal qualities. - Overuse of bad language - Trolling players - Insulting other players in any way - Encouraging violence or hatred towards other players - Falsifying information about other players - Sharing another player’s personal information without their permission - Media Advertising - posting links to YouTube, Twitter, SnapChat etc (exception for YouTube rank) - Spamming - pasting the same or similar messages over and over - Intentionally avoiding the chat filter - Talking about self-harm, or other deeply negative experiences - Advertising giveaways (in Lobbies and forums)
You might be interested in the old version of Hypixel's rules, which was in fact even longer than ours: web.archive.org/web/20170727135744/https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-network-official-rules.345290/
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Post by elmon on Jul 18, 2020 10:12:49 GMT
That sounds like a good idea actually, having a post in super admin lounge or something that gives a lot more detail into how punishments are supposed to handed out while keeping the conduct policy simple so OPs actually read it. Anyway, nothing is stopping you or anyone else from creating a suggestion to refine the current conduct policy if you deem necessary I don't feel we should need to make a suggestion to fix a conduct policy we were not consulted on... Which has been my entire point here. It's woefully inadequate as has been proven by this thread by people other than me. You seem to gloss over the fact that this was rushed in (Or it looks like it) with no community engagement on the change and no vote to see if the community are happy with it... Again not feeling very community-driven. All we've really done here was remove redundancies and simplified a lot of the wording, the rules are still effectively the same (besides 1 rule which was moved from section 2 to 3). I think that we did oversimplify it slightly but that can be easily fixed with a suggestion if you want to. Making a suggestion to improve what we have in place is the whole point of suggestions. Also, the community is not entitled to be consulted, that's up to Seth.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 18, 2020 10:22:12 GMT
I don't feel we should need to make a suggestion to fix a conduct policy we were not consulted on... Which has been my entire point here. It's woefully inadequate as has been proven by this thread by people other than me. You seem to gloss over the fact that this was rushed in (Or it looks like it) with no community engagement on the change and no vote to see if the community are happy with it... Again not feeling very community-driven. All we've really done here was remove redundancies and simplified a lot of the wording, the rules are still effectively the same (besides 1 rule which was moved from section 2 to 3). I think that we did oversimplify it slightly but that can be easily fixed with a suggestion if you want to. Making a suggestion to improve what we have in place is the whole point of suggestions. Also, the community is not entitled to be consulted, that's up to Seth. You've over-simplified it and left it open to interpretation, there was no notice of the change happening so what happens to people banned who weren't aware of the new rules? And the community does absolutely have a right to be consulted, it's part of the whole reason we wanted the server to be a fairly democratic process where suggestions are put forward and reviewed. Given this was part of a suggestion put forward it should have been fed back to the community for their review, that way we could have put something into place right the first time. Also I won't put a suggestion in because I'm looking forward to the first time someone challenges the rules as they are, and I'll 100% support them because this whole exercise has been really poorly executed.
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Post by CoolJWB on Jul 18, 2020 10:39:59 GMT
This shouldn't be put in place overnight cause it's hard for admins to (when they wake up) try to enforce this straight out of the oven. Nonetheless here's what I think should be changed.
1a. Attempts at harming the server: If it is "attempts" (plural) what would happen if it's one time? Nothing or like category 3?
1h. Attempts to harm any (ex)member of TotalFreedom. I see a plural here, also, I could claim that you harmed me when you told me to "fuck off" so we really need to draw a line where harm is.
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Post by elmon on Jul 18, 2020 10:43:58 GMT
This shouldn't be put in place overnight cause it's hard for admins to (when they wake up) try to enforce this straight out of the oven. Nonetheless here's what I think should be changed. 1a. Attempts at harming the server:If it is "attempts" (plural) what would happen if it's one time? Nothing or like category 3? 1h. Attempts to harm any (ex)member of TotalFreedom.I see a plural here, also, I could claim that you harmed me when you told me to "fuck off" so we really need to draw a line where harm is. Attempts isn't plural in terms of 'multiple attempts', it's more of a general "attempts to harm the server are not allowed", so a one time server crash is still permbannable. Also, as I stated above, we didn't change the ruling, we simplified it. Effectively, administration is the exact same
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 18, 2020 11:15:45 GMT
Also, as I stated above, we didn't change the ruling, we simplified it. Effectively, administration is the exact same No, you have absolutely changed it as has been proven in this thread... Please stop claiming nothing has changed, you've over-simplified it to the point where there is serious grey areas in question and loosing a lot of the valuable content of the old policy.
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Post by Lykhant on Jul 18, 2020 11:44:59 GMT
There is also the Spanish version of the old conduct policy as shown here? Wouldn't that no longer apply now as it is just a Spanish version of an outdated policy. it will probably be updated as soon as (i think Lykhant , but i might be wrong) translates it I have fully translated the new policy and sent it to fionn.
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Post by Cactus on Jul 19, 2020 3:48:08 GMT
As the conduct policy has been rewritten, shouldn't we also update the rules in /rules, since it's a "simplified" version of the conduct policy?
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 19, 2020 4:40:51 GMT
As the conduct policy has been rewritten, shouldn't we also update the rules in /rules, since it's a "simplified" version of the conduct policy? i'm gonna say that theres about a 95% chance that will happen in the next "scheduled update" (august 1st)
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Post by banteroussor on Jul 19, 2020 9:50:51 GMT
This is something that is very good to see, easy to read. Well done, though I think the old policy should still be somewhere so admins can have more detail regarding punishments, specifically new admins.
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Post by prince on Jul 19, 2020 10:32:57 GMT
i fail to understand the point of having the policy translated to spanish
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Post by monkeh on Jul 19, 2020 10:57:25 GMT
i fail to understand the point of having the policy translated to spanish for potential spanish players ??
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