Dr. PeePee
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i sent my peepee pls peespond
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Post by Dr. PeePee on Jul 12, 2020 22:35:16 GMT
1. Your Minecraft name and the IP you use to login to the server.
My IGN is Dr_PePee and my IP is 99.197.221.235
2. The date and time you were banned.
2020-07-12 at 02:43:57 EDT
3. What type of activity you were doing at the time of the ban (e.g. chatting, building, using world edit, etc.) or state "offline" if banned while offline.
I was making jokes in the chat.
4. Why do you think you were banned (select the best choice below)? Admins should only ban based on the following policy: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65799/server-rules-conduct-policy-read
a. I don't know because I did not violate any rule as noted in the server conduct policy.
To elaborate on this, I was banned for "Section 3: Multiple Offenses." This is invalid since I didn't actually commit any section 3 offenses. It is not against the rules to make jokes in the chat, which I was doing because multiple other people found them to be funny. And according to your conduct policy, which I reviewed myself, that also applies even if the player is warned by an administrator. The conduct policy does mention that a player can be banned for "repeated offenses under section 3, esp. if a player fails to heed admin warnings," but this does not apply to me, as I committed no section 3 offenses, and while I was warned by an administrator, that doesn't actually mean anything since I was warned for a non-offense. The logic I was banned under is the same logic as banning a player for building a house after they were warned not to do so.
5. If you answered a, b, d, e above, do you use any client mods or hacks? If yes, which ones?
No, I play on vanilla.
6. Which admin banned you, and what were you told (if anything) before the ban occurred?
Tozzit
7. Have you reviewed and agree to the the server conduct policy (yes or no)? Please review the policy at totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/65799/
Yes
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AshazTGA
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 12, 2020 22:54:20 GMT
tozzitAlso, I love how you actually quoted the conduct policy too. That's smth I've never seen in an appeal.
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97
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Post by 97 on Jul 12, 2020 23:21:32 GMT
Nope, object. I recommend you just wait it out. I am also under the suspicion that this user is another person. Look back in the #server-chat
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Darth
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Post by Darth on Jul 13, 2020 0:03:16 GMT
multiple other people found them to be funny No. They didn't. In fact, several people asked you stop over and over again and you didn't. I can even find the logs of it to prove it, but it's tozzit's ban so he should make the call. |
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Dr. PeePee
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i sent my peepee pls peespond
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Post by Dr. PeePee on Jul 13, 2020 0:24:22 GMT
multiple other people found them to be funny No. They didn't. In fact, several people asked you stop over and over again and you didn't. I can even find the logs of it to prove it, but it's tozzit's ban so he should make the call. If you want, I can provide logs of people who did think it was funny. Regardless, it shouldn't even matter, since just because someone asked me to stop doesn't mean I needed to. It's their choice whether or not to ignore the jokes; they weren't directed at anyone, and they were not intended to be annoying. I should not be punished because people didn't find my jokes to be funny. |
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Gommeh
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Post by Gommeh on Jul 13, 2020 11:06:32 GMT
Object. If someone asks you to stop doing something, even if what you're doing isn't against the rules, it's best if you just listen to them.
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monkeh
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Post by monkeh on Jul 13, 2020 11:24:17 GMT
If someone asks you to stop doing something, even if what you're doing isn't against the rules, it's best if you just listen to them. what???? since when did we operate under "do whatever an admin tells you to do"? we have ban appeals for a reason... that being said, neutral. we need logs and more context to see what dr pee pee actually did. tozzit :) |
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tozzit
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Post by tozzit on Jul 13, 2020 11:57:20 GMT
Object. Just because some people think what you did was funny doesnt make it automatically fine for everyone.
I banned you for "3h. Chat spamming (inc. spamming commands or mail spam) or trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players. Numerous examples (definitely not all-inclusive) including begging for admin (or recommendations for admin), begging for money, sex chat/RP, telling players to do Alt + F4 for free admin or similar buffoonery, repetitiously asking to be staff on another server or repetitiously asking for other server recommendations, players that advertise outside the rule limits per 4h, etc. Players that post short URL links such as goo.gl without admin permission are subject to temporary ban and maybe be subject to a perm ban or day ban if the URL violates rules 1m or 2h above. To avoid possible security risks, admins should use a link checking site like validator.w3.org to check short URL links. Mass mail spam can result in day or perm ban."
You failed to adhere to admin warning about an hour before you were actually banned:
'1425974956':
username: Dr_PePee
by: DarthZonarius
type: smite
reason: h. Chat spamming (inc. spamming commands or mail spam) or trolling to the
point of being a nuisance to other players
issued_on: 2020-07-11 at 22:03:22 EDT
[23:08:40] [Server thread/INFO]: Tozzit issued server command: /warn Dr_PePee Stop with urine related spam or anything as such
[23:08:11] [Server thread/INFO]: Tozzit issued server command: /mute Dr_PePee
'1645600462':
username: Dr_PePee
by: Tozzit
type: ban
reason: Failure to heed to admin warning (Section 3 repeated offenses)
issued_on: 2020-07-11 at 23:24:35 EDT
I day banned you for failing to heed to admin warning as it states in "Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban."
[22:27:31] [Server thread/INFO]: AInterestingName issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee
[22:26:57] [Server thread/INFO]: Antonio10bc issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee
[22:00:02] [Server thread/INFO]: LittleDerpyTimmy issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee
Unfortunately for them, the ignore command doesnt work right now.
Im fine with a lot of things and im quite a fan of free speech. But it just isnt very fun and becomes a nuisance after doing the same thing for hours on end.
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monkeh
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Post by monkeh on Jul 13, 2020 12:40:59 GMT
object after seeing above, what you did was clearly against the conduct policy
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Dr. PeePee
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Post by Dr. PeePee on Jul 13, 2020 13:19:04 GMT
Object. Just because some people think what you did was funny doesnt make it automatically fine for everyone. I banned you for "3h. Chat spamming (inc. spamming commands or mail spam) or trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players. Numerous examples (definitely not all-inclusive) including begging for admin (or recommendations for admin), begging for money, sex chat/RP, telling players to do Alt + F4 for free admin or similar buffoonery, repetitiously asking to be staff on another server or repetitiously asking for other server recommendations, players that advertise outside the rule limits per 4h, etc. Players that post short URL links such as goo.gl without admin permission are subject to temporary ban and maybe be subject to a perm ban or day ban if the URL violates rules 1m or 2h above. To avoid possible security risks, admins should use a link checking site like validator.w3.org to check short URL links. Mass mail spam can result in day or perm ban." You failed to adhere to admin warning about an hour before you were actually banned: '1425974956': username: Dr_PePee by: DarthZonarius type: smite reason: h. Chat spamming (inc. spamming commands or mail spam) or trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players issued_on: 2020-07-11 at 22:03:22 EDT [23:08:40] [Server thread/INFO]: Tozzit issued server command: /warn Dr_PePee Stop with urine related spam or anything as such [23:08:11] [Server thread/INFO]: Tozzit issued server command: /mute Dr_PePee '1645600462': username: Dr_PePee by: Tozzit type: ban reason: Failure to heed to admin warning (Section 3 repeated offenses) issued_on: 2020-07-11 at 23:24:35 EDT I day banned you for failing to heed to admin warning as it states in "Section 3 - Offenses that will normally result in an administrative control action (e.g verbal warning, temporary 5 minute ban, muting, caging, smiting etc.) but not including a day ban. Repeated violations or failing to heed an admin warning can result in a day ban per 2f above. If offenses are committed when there are no admins online, it can result in a perm ban." [22:27:31] [Server thread/INFO]: AInterestingName issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee [22:26:57] [Server thread/INFO]: Antonio10bc issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee [22:00:02] [Server thread/INFO]: LittleDerpyTimmy issued server command: /ignore Dr_PePee Unfortunately for them, the ignore command doesnt work right now. Im fine with a lot of things and im quite a fan of free speech. But it just isnt very fun and becomes a nuisance after doing the same thing for hours on end. Like I said, just because an admin warned me doesn't at all warrant a ban, since the admin warned me for a non-offense. Failing to heed admin warnings isn't actually an offense on its own, according to the conduct policy. I didn't violate the actual conduct policy at any point, I was not "trolling" at all. I was telling jokes for a comedic purpose, and honestly, if some people can't handle that, it should not become my problem. And there was no "spam," because nothing I was saying was actually spamming the chat. You can look at the logs; nothing in there was spammy at all. Don't you think it's ridiculous that people are allowed say "nigga," a word that could obviously offend people and is inappropriate for children, yet I can't tell my pee jokes without getting punished? |
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jul 13, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
objection, the user did break the rule stated by Tozzit - shouldn't this be closed because the original banner objected?
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tozzit
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Post by tozzit on Jul 13, 2020 13:34:05 GMT
Like I said, just because an admin warned me doesn't at all warrant a ban, since the admin warned me for a non-offense. I didn't violate the actual conduct policy at any point, I was not "trolling" at all. I was telling jokes for a comedic purpose, and honestly, if some people can't handle that, it should not become my problem. And there was no "spam," because nothing I was saying was actually spamming the chat. You can look at the logs; nothing in there was spammy at all. Don't you think it's ridiculous that people are allowed say "nigga," a word that could obviously offend people and is inappropriate for children, yet I can't tell my pee jokes without getting punished? 'trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players.' totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67338/add-back-zero-tolerance-policy'Nigga' is exclusively allowed because of this. Unfortunately there has been no similar thread on pee jokes, which BTW im fine with, what im not fine with is doing it hours on end. This isnt about the pee jokes, if you did something similar with anything else for long enough i would've still banned you. It is clear that ops did not like you doing this for that long. people dont ignore people or want people banned for no reason. |
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Dr. PeePee
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Post by Dr. PeePee on Jul 13, 2020 13:50:57 GMT
Like I said, just because an admin warned me doesn't at all warrant a ban, since the admin warned me for a non-offense. I didn't violate the actual conduct policy at any point, I was not "trolling" at all. I was telling jokes for a comedic purpose, and honestly, if some people can't handle that, it should not become my problem. And there was no "spam," because nothing I was saying was actually spamming the chat. You can look at the logs; nothing in there was spammy at all. Don't you think it's ridiculous that people are allowed say "nigga," a word that could obviously offend people and is inappropriate for children, yet I can't tell my pee jokes without getting punished? 'trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players.' totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67338/add-back-zero-tolerance-policy'Nigga' is exclusively allowed because of this. Unfortunately there has been no similar thread on pee jokes, which BTW im fine with, what im not fine with is doing it hours on end. This isnt about the pee jokes, if you did something similar with anything else for long enough i would've still banned you. It is clear that ops did not like you doing this for that long. people dont ignore people or want people banned for no reason. It shouldn't matter. I wasn't "trolling," I was telling the jokes for comedic purposes, and like I said, if needed, I will provide logs of people who enjoyed the jokes. You can't just make a special exception to the conduct policy because some players whined about it. |
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Post by elmon on Jul 13, 2020 13:53:03 GMT
'trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players.' totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67338/add-back-zero-tolerance-policy'Nigga' is exclusively allowed because of this. Unfortunately there has been no similar thread on pee jokes, which BTW im fine with, what im not fine with is doing it hours on end. This isnt about the pee jokes, if you did something similar with anything else for long enough i would've still banned you. It is clear that ops did not like you doing this for that long. people dont ignore people or want people banned for no reason. It shouldn't matter. I wasn't "trolling," I was telling the jokes for comedic purposes, and like I said, if needed, I will provide logs of people who enjoyed the jokes. You can't just make a special exception to the conduct policy because some players whined about it. What's the point of even arguing this if you're literally unbanned? You're just arguing for the sake of arguement at this point... |
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tozzit
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Post by tozzit on Jul 13, 2020 13:59:07 GMT
'trolling to the point of being a nuisance to other players.' totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/67338/add-back-zero-tolerance-policy'Nigga' is exclusively allowed because of this. Unfortunately there has been no similar thread on pee jokes, which BTW im fine with, what im not fine with is doing it hours on end. This isnt about the pee jokes, if you did something similar with anything else for long enough i would've still banned you. It is clear that ops did not like you doing this for that long. people dont ignore people or want people banned for no reason. It shouldn't matter. I wasn't "trolling," I was telling the jokes for comedic purposes, and like I said, if needed, I will provide logs of people who enjoyed the jokes. You can't just make a special exception to the conduct policy because some players whined about it. ?? this isnt a good argument at all. just because some people 'enjoyed' the jokes doesnt make it completely above board. some people also 'enjoy' murdering innocent people, doesnt make it right. "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community." I dont know how your continuous pee jokes dont fit under this. |
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