Kash
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Post by Kash on Jul 10, 2020 18:29:48 GMT
The way I think of this possibly happening is abolishing the Super Admin rank altogether, but making it harder to achieve Super Telnet Admin. Probably not the best idea, but just the first thing that came to my mind. If you take a look in the OP, there's a link to another thread where that was suggested but voted down. This suggestion just gives Super admins telnet access with the permissions that they already hold in that rank, no additional access or promotions or any of that stuff. Oh ok, that makes more sense now. I should have researched more before I made that reply. In that case, I think this is a great idea.
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Post by Taze on Jul 10, 2020 22:36:14 GMT
I like the idea of giving supers this access to Telnet without them getting new permissions (as /saconfig).
It does though just really remove the whole idea of Telnet admins, it’s in the name “Telnet”. The difference between SAs and STAs already was small (with only having Telnet access as a difference). The only difference now is that they can’t add people to the admin list, but that’s it.
Can’t we just better merge both ranks together (as in your previous suggestion) because if we add this, they’re almost just the exact same rank.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 10, 2020 22:38:24 GMT
I like the idea of giving supers this access to Telnet without them getting new permissions (as /saconfig). It does though just really remove the whole idea of Telnet admins, it’s in the name “Telnet”. The difference between SAs and STAs already was small (with only having Telnet access as a difference). The only difference now is that they can’t add people to the admin list, but that’s it. Can’t we just better merge both ranks together (as in your previous suggestion) because if we add this, they’re almost just the exact same rank. Given that suggestion seemed to be turned down, I didn't want to re-make that argument here. Hopefully if people realise that we can in fact trust our admins to do their jobs and this works out, we can re-visit that conversation in the future, as I fully agree that it would make sense to merge them, but it seems the community aren't yet ready for that.
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 10, 2020 23:00:50 GMT
Vouch, Telnet is a really good feature.
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Post by Gommeh on Jul 10, 2020 23:42:54 GMT
Vouch for ocular and Feuer’s reasons.
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Post by awesomelink234 on Jul 11, 2020 4:35:53 GMT
Vouch per above, this seems like it could be good
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Post by sergio24m on Jul 11, 2020 12:00:19 GMT
I agree. Supers aren't that trustworthy, specially considering recently reinstated ones. Well, there's some that have been for quite some time here, and we can't just difference ourselves from new/reinstated ones. The idea couldn't work fully. I'll vouch, still. Not because of being power-hungry but because we can't really do anything if we don't have a good computer somewhere.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 11, 2020 12:10:14 GMT
I agree. Supers aren't that trustworthy, specially considering recently reinstated ones. Well, there's some that have been for quite some time here, and we can't just difference ourselves from new/reinstated ones. The idea couldn't work fully. I'll vouch, still. Not because of being power-hungry but because we can't really do anything if we don't have a good computer somewhere. What's the risk you perceive by granting these "Not that trustworthy" access to administrate through telnet? Given they get no extra perms to what they would have in game, and could already use apps that give a similar experience to telnet. I'm just really trying to understand where this trust argument comes into it when there is no increased risk in doing this...
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Post by sergio24m on Jul 11, 2020 17:49:03 GMT
I agree. Supers aren't that trustworthy, specially considering recently reinstated ones. Well, there's some that have been for quite some time here, and we can't just difference ourselves from new/reinstated ones. The idea couldn't work fully. I'll vouch, still. Not because of being power-hungry but because we can't really do anything if we don't have a good computer somewhere. What's the risk you perceive by granting these "Not that trustworthy" access to administrate through telnet? Given they get no extra perms to what they would have in game, and could already use apps that give a similar experience to telnet. I'm just really trying to understand where this trust argument comes into it when there is no increased risk in doing this... Oh, okay. Didn't read the "no extra perms" part. I fully agree with your opinion. I was just trying to exactly know why supers could have telnet too, since it's uh.. risky..? But now that you said the fact of just having a nomal admin's perms.. I apologize for that, sorry. Was a little bit tired and didn't quite read all of the messages above. Thank you!
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Post by Pigabot on Jul 12, 2020 4:26:26 GMT
While I agree and like that if this was to be implemented, that super admins would not gain extra permissions, I still disagree with the concept in the first place. It eliminates the necessity of having Telnet Admin, both because of its name, and leaving it to serve as a simple barrier of trust for permissions between the lower and higher ranks. While I think that is important, it shouldn't be the rank's sole purpose.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 12, 2020 20:28:17 GMT
While I agree and like that if this was to be implemented, that super admins would not gain extra permissions, I still disagree with the concept in the first place. It eliminates the necessity of having Telnet Admin, both because of its name, and leaving it to serve as a simple barrier of trust for permissions between the lower and higher ranks. While I think that is important, it shouldn't be the rank's sole purpose. I think we're once again confusing two discussions. The community decided against merging the ranks and that's fine, I don't see why the fact that Telnet's would have very little difference to super admins should be a factor in this discussion, this is do we want to allow all admins telnet access, I think we should and I've yet to see a compelling reason that we shouldn't...
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 13, 2020 9:48:03 GMT
Could I also ask, if you are one of the 10 people that have voted no, explaining why you are still voting no would be appreciated. I am quite concerned that people may be voting without reading the OP and the thread or have an opinion based off of something that is not true...
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Post by _Windows on Jul 13, 2020 13:31:38 GMT
To those who object or are hesitant on the basis of trust: The telnet commands are logged. If abuse of it happens, it can be tracked down in literally seconds with grep commands on the log files. Telnet provides no less accountability than being in game does.
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Post by CorruptedPolygon on Jul 13, 2020 14:15:39 GMT
I personally see no reason why they shouldn't have access. Vouch.
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Post by decyj145 on Jul 14, 2020 0:06:07 GMT
At first I was against the idea - but then I reread the thread and looked at the replies and it became more clear to me what you were suggesting.
I think it's a great idea for supers to have telnet access if they aren't gaining any extra permissions from it, I vouch.
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