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Post by zekurt on Jul 8, 2020 1:06:51 GMT
Just recently, an Executive of the rival server UMC, has reinstated to Total Freedom. Now I don't personally have anything against Grace, but I do take issue with an Executive of a rival server having power on ours. First I will get the elephant in the room out of the way. Panther has recently admitted to continuing joining TF with alt accounts despite being permbanned, and as two executives of the same server, I have a hard time believing she was not informed. But as there's no proof of this, that's all I shall say. On UMC, there is no owner. Power is separated between the various (I believe 5, correct me if I am wrong) executives of the server, and all decisions are made between them. As such, any Executive of UMC is effectively a part owner. When a person owns a platform, it is in their interest to advance it, which also often involves seeing their rivals fall. That person having power on their rival server presents many ways for them to acquire information they should not have, and use it to advance their own server. I just do not think an owner of a server needs to be an admin on their rival. It doesn't make sense to me why we should allow that. UMC's entire claim to popularity is that they are not TF.
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Post by Darth on Jul 8, 2020 1:10:44 GMT
If Gracie herself has not done anything wrong, I see no reason why she shouldn't be allowed to reinstate.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 8, 2020 1:22:41 GMT
same as above, but also i don't really see UMC as a rival, while sure they do have freeop they run things a lot different over there and I think it's different enough to where it's more like we are frienemies, where we have a completly different player base however we still poke fun at each other everyone and a while
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Post by zekurt on Jul 8, 2020 1:29:48 GMT
same as above, but also i don't really see UMC as a rival, while sure they do have freeop they run things a lot different over there and I think it's different enough to where it's more like we are frienemies, where we have a completly different player base however we still poke fun at each other everyone and a while UMC (or better yet, NovelMC, which was rebooted as UMC) was started as an alternative (competitor) to TF. In its creation, it leeched players and admins from TF. This makes it a rival. Its players and admins certainly act as if it is such.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 8, 2020 2:27:52 GMT
What are you guys talking about? Grace never reinstated on this server as she was never an admin. GracieWargo and GraceC3013 are not the same person.
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Post by GraceC3013 on Jul 8, 2020 2:29:47 GMT
Well, this is embarassing.
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Post by 97 on Jul 8, 2020 2:30:38 GMT
Wait I'm extremely confused here..
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Post by shrimp on Jul 8, 2020 2:45:13 GMT
Well, this is embarassing. smh look at what you’ve done this time
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Post by GraceC3013 on Jul 8, 2020 2:47:42 GMT
i just mess up everything
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Post by Alosion on Jul 8, 2020 4:33:49 GMT
Regardless of the user mix-up, I still don't think that we should prevent "rivals" and their staff members/players from also being staff here. As long as there is no malicious intent, which we shouldn't assume there is, I don't think it would cause any problems.
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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Jul 8, 2020 4:49:36 GMT
Your poll is confusing and may lead to people voting against their desires. I suggest you post this thread again and phrase it as "I propose" or "Enact a rule" rather than using the "should" method. If you phrase it as a proposal, users can easily "Vouch" or "Object".
As for voting, why are all servers rival? This isn't a zero-sum game. TF servers can contribute to each other. Gommeh with GommehFreedom helps with TF and that's no concern whatsoever.
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 8, 2020 8:11:38 GMT
I understand that UMC was created out of the 'decline of TF' but the owners and executives there should have the same facilities as an OP here. If we banned rivals from applying it just shows that TF is 'scared' of having rival players.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 8, 2020 9:41:19 GMT
There is no reason this is even something we should be discussing frankly... There is an entire concept of Associated servers whereby the point is for servers that have overlapping admins.
Players and admins should be free to play on whatever servers they like, and as soon as you start to police that you've lost any chance of being the better server.
I used to co-own CJFreedom which at it's time was a healthy competitor to TF, didn't mean I wasn't able to contribute effectively to both servers.
There is frankly no precedent set for this to even be discussed which is why I'm a bit confused as to why we're even entertaining this conversation...
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 8, 2020 11:44:13 GMT
Serious question: why do people care so much about UMC? It's just another Minecraft server. It is completely irrelevant that it is managed by people who are originally from this community.
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Post by Gommeh on Jul 8, 2020 11:55:27 GMT
Serious question: why do people care so much about UMC? It's just another Minecraft server. It is completely irrelevant that it is managed by people who are originally from this community. Not saying I agree with this, but I think the reason why people care so much is because UMC started "leeching" off of our community and certain people started deserting us altogether and joining them. Additionally, it's possible that some people took offense at the fact that UMC's entire claim to fame is that they're not TF.
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