AshazTGA
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 7, 2020 22:52:22 GMT
Can you explain your objection?
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Jul 7, 2020 22:53:37 GMT
ashaz you're literally being wilee, you haven't been on SMP so how do you know what's going on? I have been on SMP for three days now and 8 hours each day as well. then you're on at the incorrect times. you should know that Ivan himself has done much more good than bad, as besides all the zaid bullshit (and whatever other drama there is) he's been there to take suggestions, repair broken perms, and so on.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Jul 7, 2020 22:54:51 GMT
Can you explain your objection? no babe, polls don't require an explanation, so why do posts objecting need to have that too?
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 7, 2020 22:57:37 GMT
See earlier argument on the reasons I dislike SMP being 'Official' but is this even like conforming to the ways SMP is working? Presumably given they've been given free reign to do whatever the fuck they like I'm guessing vote off's aren't even a thing...? pretty much, this doesn't even apply to SMP since there isn't even an official way of handling admins or having an "admin officer" kinda thing for SMP, so.... Yeah, which is kinda my problem with how things are currently working on SMP, but that's an argument for another thread. Sounds like there is no process for this in general, not sure where it goes in that case.
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burger
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Post by burger on Jul 7, 2020 22:58:41 GMT
Can you explain your objection? okay bud, 1: Ivan, as pointed out by others, was the founder of this server and without him this server would not even exist. 2: Ivan is an active admin whom enforces the rules and helps work out bugs in the system. 3: You have no actual reasoning as to why he should be removed besides, "he doesn't have a forums account" (which he doesn't need) and "he used to be corrupt" 4: Ivan has not shown major signs of corruption (none more than an average tf admin) and has been a major help to fionn and the other staff. There is no reason for him to be removed and therefore i object. Also just a question, what influenced you to make this thread?
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AshazTGA
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Post by AshazTGA on Jul 7, 2020 22:58:59 GMT
Can you explain your objection? no babe, polls don't require an explanation, so why do posts objecting need to have that too? because thats how it normally works
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 7, 2020 22:59:09 GMT
If it's an official server, which it supposedly is, then being banned from TF means being banned from TF. Anyone that votes he should be allowed to be staff on a server he is also banned from is asinine and just further shows the disconnect between it even being viewed as an official server.
This thread shouldn't have had to exist and that's the bigger issue. He should have been banned from TF if he was being banned from TF, not just from certain portions but keeping him as staff on others.
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 7, 2020 22:59:10 GMT
Nah I think Ivan should stay
TF and TF SMP doesnt share the same banlist, nor do they share the same admins. They have their seperate rules aswell. I don't think forcing the freeops policies onto smp is necessary just because the name is "Total Freedom" is attached to it.
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Wild1145
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 7, 2020 23:00:21 GMT
Can you explain your objection? no babe, polls don't require an explanation, so why do posts objecting need to have that too? To be fair, if you're going to put a one word response with no context you should expect to be called out on it. It's utterly useless in any decision making process just to have a number of votes, having an understanding of why people believe one thing or another is what is useful and often enables a more effective resolution.
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Post by elmon on Jul 7, 2020 23:01:58 GMT
If it's an official server, which it supposedly is, then being banned from TF means being banned from TF. Anyone that votes he should be allowed to be staff on a server he is also banned from is asinine and just further shows the disconnect between it even being viewed as an official server. This thread shouldn't have had to exist and that's the bigger issue. He should have been banned from TF if he was being banned from TF, not just from certain portions but keeping him as staff on others. He's not banned on TF
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Post by SupItsDillon on Jul 7, 2020 23:02:45 GMT
Can you explain your objection? okay bud, 1: Ivan, as pointed out by others, was the founder of this server and without him this server would not even exist. 2: Ivan is an active admin whom enforces the rules and helps work out bugs in the system. 3: You have no actual reasoning as to why he should be removed besides, "he doesn't have a forums account" (which he doesn't need) and "he used to be corrupt" 4: Ivan has not shown major signs of corruption (none more than an average tf admin) and has been a major help to fionn and the other staff. 1) I’m sure the server would have still been made under somebody else. It had been in talks for a while iirc. 2) He falsely (imo) banned Zaid, and there are 3 developers who should be working out the bugs 3) He was corrupt. See 4 4) He never showed these signs of corruption until he actually did it, what’s stopping him from doing it again? He has nothing to lose
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 7, 2020 23:08:30 GMT
If it's an official server, which it supposedly is, then being banned from TF means being banned from TF. Anyone that votes he should be allowed to be staff on a server he is also banned from is asinine and just further shows the disconnect between it even being viewed as an official server. This thread shouldn't have had to exist and that's the bigger issue. He should have been banned from TF if he was being banned from TF, not just from certain portions but keeping him as staff on others. He's not banned on TF Replace ever instance of banned with suspended and the point remains.
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burger
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Post by burger on Jul 7, 2020 23:11:49 GMT
okay bud, 1: Ivan, as pointed out by others, was the founder of this server and without him this server would not even exist. 2: Ivan is an active admin whom enforces the rules and helps work out bugs in the system. 3: You have no actual reasoning as to why he should be removed besides, "he doesn't have a forums account" (which he doesn't need) and "he used to be corrupt" 4: Ivan has not shown major signs of corruption (none more than an average tf admin) and has been a major help to fionn and the other staff. 1) I’m sure the server would have still been made under somebody else. It had been in talks for a while iirc. 2) He falsely (imo) banned Zaid, and there are 3 developers who should be working out the bugs 3) He was corrupt. See 4 4) He never showed these signs of corruption until he actually did it, what’s stopping him from doing it again? He has nothing to lose 1: He was the one who actually took actions. 2: That was not Ivan's fault. An incomplete set of rules made it hard to determine what the definition of "breaking the rules" was. Ivan did what he saw fit best. 3: "was" being the key word. 4: actually he has a lot to lose. Given that this is his second chance him messing up again would most likely confirm his removal from the server.
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Post by XenVoltz on Jul 7, 2020 23:14:48 GMT
If the SMP server is going to continue to operate as an official TF server, then it needs to abide by the official TF rules. I personally don't have an issue with Ivan keeping whatever position he has, but if he isn't allowed to be a staff member on the freeop server due to corruption or whatever, then that should apply to any other server that is considered an official TF server.
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Post by SupItsDillon on Jul 7, 2020 23:16:26 GMT
1) I’m sure the server would have still been made under somebody else. It had been in talks for a while iirc. 2) He falsely (imo) banned Zaid, and there are 3 developers who should be working out the bugs 3) He was corrupt. See 4 4) He never showed these signs of corruption until he actually did it, what’s stopping him from doing it again? He has nothing to lose 1: He was the one who actually took actions. 2: That was not Ivan's fault. An incomplete set of rules made it hard to determine what the definition of "breaking the rules" was. Ivan did what he saw fit best. 3: "was" being the key word. 4: actually he has a lot to lose. Given that this is his second chance him messing up again would most likely confirm his removal from the server. 1) Fair enough but he isn’t the owner/co-owner/manager or whatever now, so it doesn’t make much difference anyway. 2) So banning him for saying something off the server is because the rules aren’t clear? 3) Yes he was in the past and as I said, should still be banned. He’s been given all of these permissions instead. 4) He shouldn’t have been given this second chance so quickly and such trust so quickly. He hadn’t done anything before gaining the rank that would warrant a change.
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