Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jul 7, 2020 3:55:40 GMT
As SMP continues to become a major TF platform, it is clear that there needs to be a real system of checks and balances on the server. The current staff team has demonstrated in many instances that they are not fit to be left unattended, especially since they are an official TF platform. Time and time again, abuse, lack of transparency, and unfair advantages are given to certain people on the server. This includes but isn't limited to certain players/groups being given more gear, land, and other advantages. The rules also seem to be made up on the spot and then applied retroactively for convenience. Additionally, one of the highest ranking staff members is Ivan, a former admin suspended for corruption and use of offensive language, who continues to use his position in a clearly abusive manner. The issue is that with the EAO and/or the IA having essentially no jurisdiction this is also brushed under the rug time and time again. Just today, I was banned out of the blue for seemingly personal reasons. With the same group of people who were ousted here for being corrupt in power, history is repeating itself. The same group of people I got suspended after leaking the logs have a personal vendetta against me and a few others which are they are now carrying out with their position of power. So this was particularly odd, since not only have I been building, claiming land, etc on the server, but I also was banned out of the blue. Additionally, I have not been "warned several times before" nor do I come on the server and "cause problems," I have generally only interacted with friends on the server, with the exception of yesterday when a new member decided to come at me with insults unprovoked. Or can they insult me but I can't respond back? So I had someone reach out to the person who banned me (Ivan) to see what was up and this was his response: This was the kicker because not only have I never messaged nor talked to Grant (also surprisingly part of the group that I got suspended!) on the server, but Ivan was in direct violation of the TF SMP policy: c. Other applicable offenses listed in Section 3 of the Server Rules & Conduct Policy
First Offense: Warning
Second Offense: Warning
Third Offense: Section 1d (ban)After quoting this and asking the other staff to find even one evidence in the logs of me talking to the person in question in any form on the server, Ivan responded with this: The only time I've been "warned" was yesterday when about 6 people including myself were muted for 5 mins. Some other fun facts: This same group of suspended admins have harassed me and others and gotten off scot-free. Just today, Ivan claimed some of my faction's land and when confronted about it, only gave back half of it, keeping the rest and brushed it off as an "accident". I ultimately got my ban reduced (still against policy) but only after a grueling exchange with several SMP staff. So the question remains: Why is the person who was suspended here for corruption and misconduct given the final word on an official TF platform? And why isn't this official TF platform under IA jurisdiction?
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fionn
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Post by fionn on Jul 7, 2020 4:01:49 GMT
i'll be in talks with the internal affairs and i'll ask them whether or not they want jurisdiction over SMP, I'm indifferent. This includes but isn't limited to certain players/groups being given more gear, land, and other advantages. I've cracked down on this, all factions that were given additional power or advantages were disbanded, I'm working on removing additional gear and other advantages. That's all that concerns me and I'll leave Ivan respond with his side.
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ron
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Post by ron on Jul 7, 2020 4:03:04 GMT
i'll be in talks with the internal affairs and i'll ask them whether or not they want jurisdiction over SMP, I'm indifferent. This includes but isn't limited to certain players/groups being given more gear, land, and other advantages. I've cracked down on this, all factions that were given additional power or advantages were disbanded, I'm working on removing additional gear and other advantages. That's all that concerns me and I'll leave Ivan respond with his side. Does Ivan have a forum account?
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Post by zevante on Jul 7, 2020 4:10:26 GMT
Speaking as the Lead for IA, i'm also indifferent. The team doesn't mind supplementing any surface info we find directly to the owners, but should the community decide it needs us involved deeper than that, I don't see a reason to deny the SMP server extra help.
I would like to play on the server like a normal person though.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 7, 2020 4:14:22 GMT
i'll be in talks with the internal affairs and i'll ask them whether or not they want jurisdiction over SMP, I'm indifferent. I've cracked down on this, all factions that were given additional power or advantages were disbanded, I'm working on removing additional gear and other advantages. That's all that concerns me and I'll leave Ivan respond with his side. Does Ivan have a forum account? no, he deleted it a while ago. on a side note i noticed that the thread said Additionally, one of the highest ranking staff members is Ivan, a former admin suspended for corruption and use of offensive language, who continues to use his position in a clearly abusive manner.i haven't seen him use his position in a way that could be considered abuse other than this one ban which, from the sounds of it, he was told to do from grant
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 4:18:23 GMT
SMP is a TF server so of course IA can intervene.
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Post by zevante on Jul 7, 2020 4:21:04 GMT
SMP is a TF server so of course IA can intervene. Though i'd like for the community to decide on this one. It'd be nice helping out if we're actually wanted.
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burger
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Post by burger on Jul 7, 2020 4:25:02 GMT
You make this sound like they are so abusive to everyone that it isn't fun to play on the server. Sure the staff can be a tad abusive but no more than the staff on freeop.
I see nothing wrong with the IA getting involved but at the same I don't really think this "abuse" is as bad as you make it out to be.
Neutral.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Jul 7, 2020 4:35:38 GMT
idk and i don't really care about the ivan thing, but looks like the main question would be that ia should have jurisdiction over smp, and easily, I vouch, it's not that hard to say, and idk why you'd want to object anyway
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grntbg
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Post by grntbg on Jul 7, 2020 5:02:19 GMT
Vouch. This platform's internal affairs team should have jurisdiction over a server using the platform's name and domain. If it is an extension of the original server then established jurisdiction should be assumed.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jul 7, 2020 6:31:53 GMT
I love being threatened by an admin for speaking out about something I found unfair in the forum <3
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Post by fxunctions on Jul 7, 2020 7:35:00 GMT
I love being threatened by an admin for speaking out about something I found unfair in the forum <3 How can this admin threaten you if they do not even exist on the forum anymore? I merely find it as an exaggerated statement. From what I can tell in the chatlogs the user, by stating "is going to be destroyed", meant that he is going to send proof to IA in the morning. Additionally, one of the highest ranking staff members is Ivan, a former admin suspended for corruption and use of offensive language, So? How does this proof that your ban was abusive? Just because he committed these actions in the past doesn't mean your ban was not justified. Let me just add for the record, I think you have a history with corruption and use of offensive language too. Here are some examples I could find of you being racist and problematic in-game: Racism: Telling people to kill themselves: Spamming: Also, from what I read from the chat logs, this "ooraaa" person you speak of was encouraged by you to come on and make derogatory comments. Here is an example of a derogatory comment made by this user: The fact that you try to make yourself the victim here is amusing, considering if there is sufficient proof to back this up, you will be the laughing stock here. I think the admin did the right thing here, considering the offenses I listed above. As for giving IA jurisdiction over SMP, I vouch. Having a team that looks into abusive matters is crucial for TF.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jul 7, 2020 7:46:10 GMT
I love being threatened by an admin for speaking out about something I found unfair in the forum <3 How can this admin threaten you if they do not even exist on the forum anymore? I merely find it as an exaggerated statement. From what I can tell in the chatlogs the user, by stating "is going to be destroyed", meant that he is going to send proof to IA in the morning. Additionally, one of the highest ranking staff members is Ivan, a former admin suspended for corruption and use of offensive language, So? How does this proof that your ban was abusive? Just because he committed these actions in the past doesn't mean your ban was not justified. Let me just add for the record, I think you have a history with corruption and use of offensive language too. Here are some examples I could find of you being racist and problematic in-game: Racism: Telling people to kill themselves: Spamming: Also, from what I read from the chat logs, this "ooraaa" person you speak of was encouraged by you to come on and make derogatory comments. Here is an example of a derogatory comment made by this user: The fact that you try to make yourself the victim here is amusing, considering if there is sufficient proof to back this up, you will be the laughing stock here. I think the admin did the right thing here, considering the offenses I listed above. As for giving IA jurisdiction over SMP, I vouch. Having a team that looks into abusive matters is crucial for TF. Thank you anonymous alt account! Yes, as I have stated that I responded to said person's insults. If you can scroll up, you can see that said person called me a "white faggot". Could be argued that it was in poor taste, but nothing bannable. The second one is literally me quoting someone lmfao Third one is hardly me "spamming", the server was telling me that my message wasn't sent so I tried adding exclamation points for the message to go through. In MC, none of them actually went through. I am not responsible for the actions of another player. He joined and said what he said, I don't see how I am accountable for another's actions. (Funnily enough I was actually banned for what he said but then unbanned when the staff realized they couldn't break policy). So anyways, thank you for your input (Ivan?) alt
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 7, 2020 7:48:01 GMT
IA will now also be used on TF SMP any further issues you may encounter, report it to zeseryu or zeseryu#8187 on discord zevante or shinramen#5201 on discord fionn or fionn#1120 on discord This is our template for reports, please follow this if possible before sending a report. Current Date Submitted: Date of report logs: Relevant staff involved: Which category would you classify this claim?: (Power Abuse) (Verbal Abuse) (Conspiracy) (Threat) (Wellness Check)(Other) Please provide a summary of your current situation: How would you like this incident resolved?: Provide screenshots/logs below or through another message.
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