grntbg
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Post by grntbg on Jul 3, 2020 12:14:55 GMT
This would be a good time to note that not everybody lives in the European Union. "By using Amazon Services, you are consenting to the practices described in this Privacy Notice. [...] We automatically collect and store certain types of information about your use of Amazon Services, including information about your interaction with content and services available through Amazon Services. Like many websites, we use "cookies" and other unique identifiers, and we obtain certain types of information when your web browser or device accesses Amazon Services and other content served by or on behalf of Amazon on other websites." You've just proved my point, they get your consent to do that and so it's perfectly legal. There is no US equivalent to the GDPR so I don't see why using it as a source is an issue. The fact that there is no United States equivalent to the GDPR is the very issue with your argument. Consent is implied in the usage of their website as you join it per their privacy policy (by using this product you are consenting to the practices in this privacy notice) just as it is with address loggers. There is no question of legality. It's that linking to these websites are technically against the conduct policy because they are collecting information on purpose and in "secret" which in terms of a website would mean that the collection of your information is not prompted, only assumed.
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Wild1145
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 3, 2020 13:52:56 GMT
I object, IP Adresses are classed as Personal Data by the GDPR Incorrect. It's classes as a 'Personal Identifier' not personal data. IP Addressing is part of the way devices on the internet communicate, there is nothing wrong with displaying a users IP address, every server you connect to will log the IP address in access logs...
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Post by elmon on Jul 3, 2020 14:07:03 GMT
I object, IP Adresses are classed as Personal Data by the GDPR Incorrect. It's classes as a 'Personal Identifier' not personal data. IP Addressing is part of the way devices on the internet communicate, there is nothing wrong with displaying a users IP address, every server you connect to will log the IP address in access logs... "The GDPR states that IP addresses should be considered personal data as it enters the scope of ‘online identifiers’. Of course, in the case of a dynamic IP address – which is changed every time a person connects to a network – there has been some legitimate debate going on as to whether it can truly lead to the identification of a person or not. The conclusion is that the GDPR does consider it as such." - eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/Regardless, I still hold my original point that we should not be allowing people to be collecting personal (identifiers/data) of minors, which is essentially what happens if a link to a hidden IP Logger is sent in the server chat.
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Wild1145
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 3, 2020 14:21:43 GMT
Incorrect. It's classes as a 'Personal Identifier' not personal data. IP Addressing is part of the way devices on the internet communicate, there is nothing wrong with displaying a users IP address, every server you connect to will log the IP address in access logs... "The GDPR states that IP addresses should be considered personal data as it enters the scope of ‘online identifiers’. Of course, in the case of a dynamic IP address – which is changed every time a person connects to a network – there has been some legitimate debate going on as to whether it can truly lead to the identification of a person or not. The conclusion is that the GDPR does consider it as such." - eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/Regardless, I still hold my original point that we should not be allowing people to be collecting personal (identifiers/data) of minors, which is essentially what happens if a link to a hidden IP Logger is sent in the server chat. Your IP is not private or protected, if you want to protect your IP, it would prevent you from ever using the internet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, if I host an image on my web server and link it in my signature, you would never know if I'm logging every IP that hits it or not. It's an un-enforceable rule. Also, if you're going to link, at least link it to the ICO - ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/key-definitions/what-is-personal-data/ You cannot identify an actual person from just an IP address, therefore it is not private. At best it 'May' be identifiable, and that would require storing other information as well.
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 3, 2020 20:27:52 GMT
Vouch. This part of the conduct policy is vague because "any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature. I suggest the following revision: "Posting URLs to websites that contain viruses, malware, phishing, or those which were produced with the express purpose of collecting personal information." Moral or not, this is how the Internet works. It's part of how major websites tailor advertisements to your network alongside browser cookies and it would not be effective for us to police that. EU's GDPR also specified "personal data" as any information relating to an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person. In other words, this would include sites which poll your location or ethnicity or "online identifier" which can comprise of any information relating to an identifiable person. This is a poor bar to set. It would make the policy forbid hyperlinks to the majority of social media, online news, or even other forums. I think the points you bring up would be more succinctly solved by specifying that it is about personal information collected by the user who posted the link. I think it is pretty obvious that this policy was never targeted against third parties collecting analytics. If it was against third parties than any link would be disallowed due to the viglink bullshit which collects analytic from everyone
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mibbzz
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Post by mibbzz on Jul 3, 2020 20:28:58 GMT
I object, IP Adresses are classed as Personal Data by the GDPR. More often than not, IP Loggers are used for malicious purposes through luring unsuspecting kids to click "www.freerobux.com". While I agree with your object, objecting on grounds of GDPR is gay as shit. Fuck the GDPR
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jul 4, 2020 1:26:04 GMT
Object, don't really think theres any reason to collect that data
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jul 4, 2020 23:33:22 GMT
Object, I understand that ups are technically already public, however I still feel like ip loggers can be much more malicious and if you allow those, who's to say that someone won't post a link to a site that will give them not just your IP, but a bunch of other info
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Post by Alco RS11 on Jul 5, 2020 4:00:32 GMT
I Object.
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Wild1145
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 5, 2020 12:19:17 GMT
You do all realise that this rule can never be actively enforced...
You have no way to prove if an image in my signature is IP logging or not. I could put an image with a single pixel in my signature and log every IP that ever establishes a connection to load it, and you'd never be able to prove if I'm logging it or not...
It was a stupid rule when it was introduced and is a stupid rule now...
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Post by blasphemer on Jul 5, 2020 12:38:41 GMT
object, I don't wanna hear people telling me what city I live in.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 5, 2020 12:44:00 GMT
You do all realise that this rule can never be actively enforced... You have no way to prove if an image in my signature is IP logging or not. I could put an image with a single pixel in my signature and log every IP that ever establishes a connection to load it, and you'd never be able to prove if I'm logging it or not... It was a stupid rule when it was introduced and is a stupid rule now... Though the website isn't mentioned in the rule, this rule was originally created for and is almost exclusively enforced towards "iplogger.org", which also happens to be pretty much the only clear-cut case.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jul 5, 2020 12:50:13 GMT
You do all realise that this rule can never be actively enforced... You have no way to prove if an image in my signature is IP logging or not. I could put an image with a single pixel in my signature and log every IP that ever establishes a connection to load it, and you'd never be able to prove if I'm logging it or not... It was a stupid rule when it was introduced and is a stupid rule now... Though the website isn't mentioned in the rule, this rule was originally created for and is almost exclusively enforced towards "iplogger.org", which also happens to be pretty much the only clear-cut case. I think the original purpose was to stop people who didn't know better from being scared that someone knew their IP. In reality I could have logged everyones IP that is on here and people would never know. I don't have an issue with a rule covering threats / intimidating behaviour, but I think this rule in it's current format is entirely unenforceable...
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Post by burger on Jul 5, 2020 19:43:07 GMT
Object
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