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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Jul 3, 2020 5:49:16 GMT
Hello, team.
Section 11 reads as follows: "Posting URLs to websites that contains viruses, malware, phishing or any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information which could be used to DOX or DDOS (e.g. hidden IP logger). This also includes URLs that might be placed in a signature block"
I suggest we remove "any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information which could be used to DOX or DDOS (e.g. hidden IP logger)" which is particularly designed to prohibit IP trackers, such as IPlogger[]org, add the word "or" before phishing, and remove the word "also".
The new policy would read as follows:
"Posting URLs to websites that contains viruses, malware, or phishing. This includes URLs that might be placed in a signature block"
Rationale: IP addresses are public information easily attainable by malicious actors and this only harms legitimate users interested in statistics.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 3, 2020 6:45:56 GMT
I don't mind that image that counts how many views it has, but there was a more egregious example in the past that actually showed the last few IPs that saw the image to other users. I find that more questionable.
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Post by zekurt on Jul 3, 2020 8:04:29 GMT
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Post by fionn on Jul 3, 2020 8:16:34 GMT
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Post by lyicx on Jul 3, 2020 8:22:37 GMT
object, despite the fact that IPs are classified as public information. i dont think its moral to allow people that dont need it be able to obtain it by a gullible player clicking on a odd link in chat.
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Post by elmon on Jul 3, 2020 8:42:08 GMT
I object, IP Adresses are classed as Personal Data by the GDPR. More often than not, IP Loggers are used for malicious purposes through luring unsuspecting kids to click "www.freerobux.com".
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Post by grntbg on Jul 3, 2020 9:47:40 GMT
Vouch. This part of the conduct policy is vague because "any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature.
I suggest the following revision: "Posting URLs to websites that contain viruses, malware, phishing, or those which were produced with the express purpose of collecting personal information." Moral or not, this is how the Internet works. It's part of how major websites tailor advertisements to your network alongside browser cookies and it would not be effective for us to police that. EU's GDPR also specified "personal data" as any information relating to an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person. In other words, this would include sites which poll your location or ethnicity or "online identifier" which can comprise of any information relating to an identifiable person.
This is a poor bar to set. It would make the policy forbid hyperlinks to the majority of social media, online news, or even other forums.
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Post by elmon on Jul 3, 2020 11:16:21 GMT
any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature. Keyword secretly I suggest the following revision: "Posting URLs to websites that contain viruses, malware, phishing, or those which were produced with the express purpose of collecting personal information." This sounds good though
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jul 3, 2020 11:26:56 GMT
Vouch. This part of the conduct policy is vague because "any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature. I suggest the following revision: "Posting URLs to websites that contain viruses, malware, phishing, or those which were produced with the express purpose of collecting personal information." Moral or not, this is how the Internet works. It's part of how major websites tailor advertisements to your network alongside browser cookies and it would not be effective for us to police that. EU's GDPR also specified "personal data" as any information relating to an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person. In other words, this would include sites which poll your location or ethnicity or "online identifier" which can comprise of any information relating to an identifiable person. This is a poor bar to set. It would make the policy forbid hyperlinks to the majority of social media, online news, or even other forums. I think the points you bring up would be more succinctly solved by specifying that it is about personal information collected by the user who posted the link. I think it is pretty obvious that this policy was never targeted against third parties collecting analytics.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 3, 2020 11:33:37 GMT
any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature. Keyword secretly And what defines a secret in terms of web functionality? Doing something which isn't advertised on the tin or which is not the site's intended function? If so, Amazon checks both of those marks because it does not advertise itself as an "advertisement tailoring book supplier" and does not make itself out to be a "personal information collection company."
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Post by elmon on Jul 3, 2020 11:36:19 GMT
And what defines a secret in terms of web functionality? Doing something which isn't advertised on the tin or which is not the site's intended function? If so, Amazon checks both of those marks because it does not advertise itself as an "advertisement tailoring book supplier" and does not make itself out to be a "personal information collection company." They get your consent to do that. gdpr-info.eu/issues/consent/
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Post by grntbg on Jul 3, 2020 11:38:13 GMT
Vouch. This part of the conduct policy is vague because "any link that could be used to secretly and purposely collect personal information" technically applies to the majority of commercial websites which collect and store those addresses. It shouldn't be against the policy to link to Amazon in your forum signature. I suggest the following revision: "Posting URLs to websites that contain viruses, malware, phishing, or those which were produced with the express purpose of collecting personal information." Moral or not, this is how the Internet works. It's part of how major websites tailor advertisements to your network alongside browser cookies and it would not be effective for us to police that. EU's GDPR also specified "personal data" as any information relating to an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person. In other words, this would include sites which poll your location or ethnicity or "online identifier" which can comprise of any information relating to an identifiable person. This is a poor bar to set. It would make the policy forbid hyperlinks to the majority of social media, online news, or even other forums. I think the points you bring up would be more succinctly solved by specifying that it is about personal information collected by the user who posted the link. I think it is pretty obvious that this policy was never targeted against third parties collecting analytics. It's not the policy's target but that piece of wording is vague and could be used to justify the example with Amazon as mentioned above. I think the meaning of "personal information" or "personal data" should be defined in the policy so that we are not reliant on different standards set by different unions. That would give us the opportunity to specify what kind of data should be collected, and that what is stored should only include the client's nation of residence and not their particular location. There are plenty of reasons to collect data on a community userbase's various places of origin. I also believe that this should stretch to network provider.
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Post by _Windows on Jul 3, 2020 11:39:42 GMT
Is this about the view counter ip logger thing a lot of people used to use? In any case, malicious collection of IP addresses (i.e. for the purpose of DDoSing) should never be tolerated but I see no harm in view counters in a sig. There already was one person who got permbanned a few years ago because he used a booter on my IP.
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Post by grntbg on Jul 3, 2020 11:40:23 GMT
And what defines a secret in terms of web functionality? Doing something which isn't advertised on the tin or which is not the site's intended function? If so, Amazon checks both of those marks because it does not advertise itself as an "advertisement tailoring book supplier" and does not make itself out to be a "personal information collection company." They get your consent to do that. gdpr-info.eu/issues/consent/This would be a good time to note that not everybody lives in the European Union. "By using Amazon Services, you are consenting to the practices described in this Privacy Notice. [...] We automatically collect and store certain types of information about your use of Amazon Services, including information about your interaction with content and services available through Amazon Services. Like many websites, we use "cookies" and other unique identifiers, and we obtain certain types of information when your web browser or device accesses Amazon Services and other content served by or on behalf of Amazon on other websites."
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Post by elmon on Jul 3, 2020 11:53:24 GMT
This would be a good time to note that not everybody lives in the European Union. "By using Amazon Services, you are consenting to the practices described in this Privacy Notice. [...] We automatically collect and store certain types of information about your use of Amazon Services, including information about your interaction with content and services available through Amazon Services. Like many websites, we use "cookies" and other unique identifiers, and we obtain certain types of information when your web browser or device accesses Amazon Services and other content served by or on behalf of Amazon on other websites." You've just proved my point, they get your consent to do that and so it's perfectly legal. There is no US equivalent to the GDPR so I don't see why using it as a source is an issue.
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