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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 3, 2020 2:21:23 GMT
The rule is about doxing. If you can't come to the conclusion that I doxed somebody then how could I have violated that rule even regardless of its other stipulations? You're simultaneously saying that it's a "loophole" (it isn't) but also that publishing is not the same thing as doxing and therefore cannot accuse me of doxing, which makes little sense. Nobody here is a lawyer, and so nobody has the qualifications to connect contact information being posted to one other person and nothing more as a "major violation of law" (though it really isn't). What does it matter if I do something that you think is highly inappropriate on a channel completely apart from TF if it doesn't even violate our rules? The entire point of us having specific rules is so that we don't go after people for whatever they do away from this community, and like I said opening that door is not a wise decision because I'm afraid that I'm easily capable of bringing up other people part of this community that could be accused of doing the exact same crap that is being dredged up. Are we going to ban all of the people that have name dropped Savnith (whoops, that's doxing as it's in public and on an actual TF platform!) on the Discord (there are 4 pages of people doing this)? I can bring up specific people but I don't want to because I don't believe in dredging this type of stuff up. I'm not looking to be forgiven, I just think that we should be objective with how we enforce our rules. My point wasn't about how well the rules are enforced. If it were small little things like for example, griefing other servers or ingame related things I'd agree with you. But when it get's to the extent of causing online distress to users, regardless of whether they are a member of the community, who they are or anything of that matter. Why should we have welcome users who cause cyber attacks against other users in general, forget about within the community. Even if "publishing" is not a criminal offences, I still believe that it should constitute as a form of harassment as you would have to be totally oblivious as to whether the user felt harm or upset as you have failed to optain their permission to pass it on to third parties, in this case Video. And if you read the policy closely it said "Threats or evidence of DOX (publishing personal information of others without their permission)". Even if that doesn't confirm the wrongs, it still could constitute as harassment if the user feels distress over their personal information being passed on which could become a 1n offence. I don't want to look like a lawyer here as you said, because I am not one. If you think that policies should in anyway come before moral standards then I deem that as downright ignorant. Video even fessed up, saying that he was in the wrong and here you are telling me about how "you didn't punish" or "it was outside the community", the fact is that we shouldn't be welcoming those who conduct cyber attacks on other users, especially when they are failing to understand why it is wrong and that a senior admin from this community is heavily involved. Why are Video and I the only ones being targeted then? Last I checked there were 4 pages of people name dropping Savnith's full name on the Discord server, if you're going to go after me for this then you have to go after them for doing not the same as what I did, but worse as it's actually on a TF platform in the form of a public Discord server. I did not conduct a cyber attack on another user, what a ridiculous notion. |
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 3, 2020 2:26:15 GMT
My point wasn't about how well the rules are enforced. If it were small little things like for example, griefing other servers or ingame related things I'd agree with you. But when it get's to the extent of causing online distress to users, regardless of whether they are a member of the community, who they are or anything of that matter. Why should we have welcome users who cause cyber attacks against other users in general, forget about within the community. Even if "publishing" is not a criminal offences, I still believe that it should constitute as a form of harassment as you would have to be totally oblivious as to whether the user felt harm or upset as you have failed to optain their permission to pass it on to third parties, in this case Video. And if you read the policy closely it said "Threats or evidence of DOX (publishing personal information of others without their permission)". Even if that doesn't confirm the wrongs, it still could constitute as harassment if the user feels distress over their personal information being passed on which could become a 1n offence. I don't want to look like a lawyer here as you said, because I am not one. If you think that policies should in anyway come before moral standards then I deem that as downright ignorant. Video even fessed up, saying that he was in the wrong and here you are telling me about how "you didn't punish" or "it was outside the community", the fact is that we shouldn't be welcoming those who conduct cyber attacks on other users, especially when they are failing to understand why it is wrong and that a senior admin from this community is heavily involved. Why are Video and I the only ones being targeted then? Last I checked there were 4 pages of people name dropping Savnith's full name on the Discord server, if you're going to go after me for this then you have to go after them for doing not the same as what I did, but worse as it's actually on a TF platform in the form of a public Discord server. I did not conduct a cyber attack on another user, what a ridiculous notion. I don't believe its acceptable for the behaviour to come out of anyone, I'm unsure why that behaviour hasn't been dealt with but I'm sure it can be reported and will get treated similarly to this. And about the cyber attack thing, there are different degrees of "cyber attacks" but you probably do not know how it affected the user in the real world, they could have been anyone wanting to keep anoynmous. That's why I said it. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 3, 2020 2:33:33 GMT
Why are Video and I the only ones being targeted then? Last I checked there were 4 pages of people name dropping Savnith's full name on the Discord server, if you're going to go after me for this then you have to go after them for doing not the same as what I did, but worse as it's actually on a TF platform in the form of a public Discord server. I did not conduct a cyber attack on another user, what a ridiculous notion. I don't believe its acceptable for the behaviour to come out of anyone, I'm unsure why that behaviour hasn't been dealt with but I'm sure it can be reported and will get treated similarly to this. And about the cyber attack thing, there are different degrees of "cyber attacks" but you probably do not know how it affected the user in the real world, they could have been anyone wanting to keep anoynmous. That's why I said it. How what would've affected the user in the real world? I didn't do anything aside from get the information for Video and give it to him, I wasn't even the person actually obtaining the information. Unless we're talking about a psychic, I don't see how relaying that information is "affecting the user in the real world." |
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 3, 2020 2:34:29 GMT
Another thing I should point out is how Video did very similar to Wilee and yet we have two completely opposing characters. We have Video who was the one who reported the incident and admitted to his own wrongs in IA and now he feels the worst about everything and strongly accepts his punishment. I respect Video for that. And with Wilee who has done the exact same thing we have all of the comments above. That, to me sums up everything.
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Post by monkeh on Jul 3, 2020 2:36:14 GMT
I don't believe its acceptable for the behaviour to come out of anyone, I'm unsure why that behaviour hasn't been dealt with but I'm sure it can be reported and will get treated similarly to this. And about the cyber attack thing, there are different degrees of "cyber attacks" but you probably do not know how it affected the user in the real world, they could have been anyone wanting to keep anoynmous. That's why I said it. How what would've affected the user in the real world? I didn't do anything aside from get the information for Video and give it to him, I wasn't even the person actually obtaining the information. Unless we're talking about a psychic, I don't see how relaying that information is "affecting the user in the real world." yeah vro random strangers whom I do not trust at all with my personal information now know my personal information!!!!! im not affected!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 3, 2020 2:36:55 GMT
Another thing I should point out is how Video did very similar to Wilee and yet we have two completely opposing characters. We have Video who was the one who reported the incident and admitted to his own wrongs in IA and now he feels the worst about everything and strongly accepts his punishment. I respect Video for that. And with Wilee who has done the exact same thing we have all of the comments above. That, to me sums up everything. Correct. Because I'm not going to bullshit anybody, I did not violate the rules, I do not regret doing what I did in any way, I am not apologetic, and I do not owe anybody an "admission of wrongs" for something that isn't in the rules. |
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Post by MrDicty/DrJenal on Jul 3, 2020 2:38:17 GMT
I don't believe its acceptable for the behaviour to come out of anyone, I'm unsure why that behaviour hasn't been dealt with but I'm sure it can be reported and will get treated similarly to this. And about the cyber attack thing, there are different degrees of "cyber attacks" but you probably do not know how it affected the user in the real world, they could have been anyone wanting to keep anoynmous. That's why I said it. How what would've affected the user in the real world? I didn't do anything aside from get the information for Video and give it to him, I wasn't even the person actually obtaining the information. Unless we're talking about a psychic, I don't see how relaying that information is "affecting the user in the real world." The thing is, you're disclosing someone's information. You don't know anything about that person, who they are or anything, regardless of how you see it. And, yes, you might be tempted to say that they'll never know because you messaged it to Video but doing something behind someone's back the way I look at it makes it equally as unacceptable because the same events are still occuring just without that users knowledge. |
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Post by Blloc on Jul 3, 2020 2:45:16 GMT
Honestly, why can't we just get over the permbanned players? Maybe they wouldn't show up again if we didn't give them this attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 3:09:54 GMT
Both users have been perm banned and forum banned. It's quite obvious Polaris is trying to twist words to get a less severe punishment. Video was a man however and owned his mistake, which is why he should be more forgiven when appeals need to come through.
Both of them will have to wait 2 weeks before an appeal will be allowed.
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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Jul 3, 2020 5:26:01 GMT
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