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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 27, 2020 23:58:06 GMT
Because it's so fitting for this server to have a VIP rank right? I just don't see the issue with allowing people to donate, the donator rank literally only gives you a forum group and a discord rank you get no in game privileges, or any real perks tbh. The people that donated do it to help the server not for some non existent perk. Just because mark didn't accept donations doesn't mean we can't, as you can definitely tell, alot has changed from when mark ran the server. Funny how the goalpost keeps moving every time I mention it. It's just allowing people to donate, there's no perks at all. It's just allowing people to donate, there's just a rank on the discord. It's just allowing people to donate, now there's a VIP rank on the forums, and Seth mentioned even creating a Buycraft shop. I think the more you take away from the fundamental values of the server that Mark founded it on, it makes this server less and less unique and with moves such as getting rid of offline mode I only see this getting exacerbated. Perhaps to people right now this seems like it's all well and good, but the more changes we make against the spirit of the server, the more it damages what it actually stands for and as an observer who has watched as this unfolds thus far, I don't think it looks good on our legacy or will help this community at all.
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Post by elmon on Jun 28, 2020 0:10:27 GMT
I just don't see the issue with allowing people to donate, the donator rank literally only gives you a forum group and a discord rank you get no in game privileges, or any real perks tbh. The people that donated do it to help the server not for some non existent perk. Just because mark didn't accept donations doesn't mean we can't, as you can definitely tell, alot has changed from when mark ran the server. Funny how the goalpost keeps moving every time I mention it. It's just allowing people to donate, there's no perks at all. It's just allowing people to donate, there's just a rank on the discord. It's just allowing people to donate, now there's a VIP rank on the forums, and Seth mentioned even creating a Buycraft shop. I think the more you take away from the fundamental values of the server that Mark founded it on, it makes this server less and less unique and with moves such as getting rid of offline mode I only see this getting exacerbated. Perhaps to people right now this seems like it's all well and good, but the more changes we make against the spirit of the server, the more it damages what it actually stands for and as an observer who has watched as this unfolds thus far, I don't think it looks good on our legacy or will help this community at all. The rank on the forums, again is purely just for show. Has nothing that comes with it besides a color and a tag. The only thing that comes close to a perk is the donator-lounge on discord which is likely the least used text channel on there besides to make fun of the name 'Premium' lol. I personally disagree, I think times are changing, the Minecraft community is not the same as it was in 2010 when mark created the server, so expecting things to remain the same as back then is absurd. Accepting donations doesn't take away from players freedom in any way, so I don't see how it goes against the servers values.
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Post by Luke on Jun 28, 2020 8:55:03 GMT
Funny how the goalpost keeps moving every time I mention it. It's just allowing people to donate, there's no perks at all. It's just allowing people to donate, there's just a rank on the discord. It's just allowing people to donate, now there's a VIP rank on the forums, and Seth mentioned even creating a Buycraft shop. I think the more you take away from the fundamental values of the server that Mark founded it on, it makes this server less and less unique and with moves such as getting rid of offline mode I only see this getting exacerbated. Perhaps to people right now this seems like it's all well and good, but the more changes we make against the spirit of the server, the more it damages what it actually stands for and as an observer who has watched as this unfolds thus far, I don't think it looks good on our legacy or will help this community at all. The rank on the forums, again is purely just for show. Has nothing that comes with it besides a color and a tag. The only thing that comes close to a perk is the donator-lounge on discord which is likely the least used text channel on there besides to make fun of the name 'Premium' lol. I personally disagree, I think times are changing, the Minecraft community is not the same as it was in 2010 when mark created the server, so expecting things to remain the same as back then is absurd. Accepting donations doesn't take away from players freedom in any way, so I don't see how it goes against the servers values. i don't think he means donating is against the values, rather giving perks which I agree with. The point of TotalFreedom is that every player joins and is just as free as one another and, bar admin commands, can do the same thing as anyone else. Giving perks and donator-only things isn't a good idea and goes against this imo. Donations should be allowed, but just not in this way. Forum and discord groups are fine, donators should get recognised, but other than that, there should be no perks.
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Post by elmon on Jun 28, 2020 9:04:55 GMT
The rank on the forums, again is purely just for show. Has nothing that comes with it besides a color and a tag. The only thing that comes close to a perk is the donator-lounge on discord which is likely the least used text channel on there besides to make fun of the name 'Premium' lol. I personally disagree, I think times are changing, the Minecraft community is not the same as it was in 2010 when mark created the server, so expecting things to remain the same as back then is absurd. Accepting donations doesn't take away from players freedom in any way, so I don't see how it goes against the servers values. i don't think he means donating is against the values, rather giving perks which I agree with. The point of TotalFreedom is that every player joins and is just as free as one another and, bar admin commands, can do the same thing as anyone else. Giving perks and donator-only things isn't a good idea and goes against this imo. Donations should be allowed, but just not in this way. Forum and discord groups are fine, donators should get recognised, but other than that, there should be no perks. I mean that is how it is right now and wilee seems to have an issue with it. I understand suggestions and shit are being made to broaden the benefits of donating but you can go object on those, not attempt to remove the title completely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:13:53 GMT
Approved. Admins are now required to display their normal admin group.
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