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Post by mibbzz on Jun 24, 2020 20:19:20 GMT
Why isn't the TF SMP server an anarchy server. This would be an entirely on brand redraft of the SMP server, which I'll break down into a few points below.
1). Hacks. Hacking has been allowed on TF since TF was a thing. We've always had restrictions on certain hacks, which most anarchy servers have as well. Crashes are obviously not allowed, since it ruins the server for everyone. A TF branded server should not punish people for hacking though.
2). Anarchy servers are big right now. Nothing else to say here.
3). People have always joked about "It's totalfreedom, not totalanarchy". Should see that joke realized. Stay on brand with TF, allow people the freedom to do what they want, and on TotalAnarchy that would include some things which aren't allowed on Totalfreedom such as griefing.
4). The SMP is barely played on, given it a breathe of fresh air. Allow everyone to join. Remove staff from the server, if someone is crashing the server they can be banned from console. Nobody needs ranks in game. Advertising an anarchy server will gain itself attention, as well as TF.
5). It's a way better name than "TF SMP".
Tldr; make it an anarchy server, the branding works and it would be good advertisement.
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Post by Darth on Jun 24, 2020 20:26:22 GMT
Object. If you want to play on an anarchy server, you should go to 2b2t or some other place. An anarchy server doesn't foster community, and instead encourages people to go against each other. I find the concept of players working together in a survival world more appealing than having no rules. Why would I build anything if I know that everything I do, someone could come along and destroy it all and I'd have no recourse?
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Post by Zaid on Jun 24, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
Vouch, there's dozens of "Earth map" SMPs right now and most die down after the famous cities are claimed and resources are drained. This would be more on theme and probably longer lasting.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 24, 2020 20:28:59 GMT
I agree with all points made. I don't even understand what the SMP server even is at this point, Seth isn't the owner of it even though it's an official server with its own category on these forums, but others have said it's "just an associated server", apparently it's going to be bungee connected to this server which means that Seth should be the owner of it, but in other ways it's totally separate. It shouldn't be simultaneously "not TF" but also "TF", either it's owned by somebody else and only an associated server, or it's owned by Seth but under the management of whoever and is part of TF just like anything we use is.
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Post by miwo on Jun 24, 2020 20:30:04 GMT
Object. If you want to play on an anarchy server, you should go to 2b2t or some other place. An anarchy server doesn't foster community, and instead encourages people to go against each other. I find the concept of players working together in a survival world more appealing than having no rules. Why would I build anything if I know that everything I do, someone could come along and destroy it all and I'd have no recourse? If you want to play modded SMP you should join some other place
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Post by square on Jun 24, 2020 20:30:10 GMT
Why isn't the TF SMP server an anarchy server. This would be an entirely on brand redraft of the SMP server, which I'll break down into a few points below. 1). Hacks. Hacking has been allowed on TF since TF was a thing. We've always had restrictions on certain hacks, which most anarchy servers have as well. Crashes are obviously not allowed, since it ruins the server for everyone. A TF branded server should not punish people for hacking though. 2). Anarchy servers are big right now. Nothing else to say here. 3). People have always joked about "It's totalfreedom, not totalanarchy". Should see that joke realized. Stay on brand with TF, allow people the freedom to do what they want, and on TotalAnarchy that would include some things which aren't allowed on Totalfreedom such as griefing. 4). The SMP is barely played on, given it a breathe of fresh air. Allow everyone to join. Remove staff from the server, if someone is crashing the server they can be banned from console. Nobody needs ranks in game. Advertising an anarchy server will gain itself attention, as well as TF. 5). It's a way better name than "TF SMP". Tldr; make it an anarchy server, the branding works and it would be good advertisement. 1) No. It's an SMP which are designed for regular multiplayer gameplay. If you ask me, anarchy servers die out a lot faster than SMPs. 2) Anarchy servers which have history. If we create an anarchy server now, many of the exploits that were previously there that enriched that server (take 2B2T for example) would not exist. 3) No. 4) Everyone is allowed to join? Again, I really dislike how we're throwing out hard work which was MADE to prevent this. 5) I agree but no.
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Post by square on Jun 24, 2020 20:33:11 GMT
I agree with all points made. I don't even understand what the SMP server even is at this point, Seth isn't the owner of it even though it's an official server with its own category on these forums, but others have said it's "just an associated server", apparently it's going to be bungee connected to this server which means that Seth should be the owner of it, but in other ways it's totally separate. It shouldn't be simultaneously "not TF" but also "TF", either it's owned by somebody else and only an associated server, or it's owned by Seth but under the management of whoever and is part of TF just like anything we use is. Ah yes because we should throw out the weeks of development which was designed to prevent it easily dying out just to totally replace it - I thought you were against that kinda shit? Anarchy pinches the new players and discourages them to go further. When people have the good loot, the people who are poor stay poor (take 2B2T spawn for example).
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 24, 2020 20:34:44 GMT
I agree with all points made. I don't even understand what the SMP server even is at this point, Seth isn't the owner of it even though it's an official server with its own category on these forums, but others have said it's "just an associated server", apparently it's going to be bungee connected to this server which means that Seth should be the owner of it, but in other ways it's totally separate. It shouldn't be simultaneously "not TF" but also "TF", either it's owned by somebody else and only an associated server, or it's owned by Seth but under the management of whoever and is part of TF just like anything we use is. Ah yes because we should throw out the weeks of development which was designed to prevent it easily dying out just to totally replace it - I thought you were against that kinda shit? Honestly not sure what you're saying.
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Post by square on Jun 24, 2020 20:35:53 GMT
Ah yes because we should throw out the weeks of development which was designed to prevent it easily dying out just to totally replace it - I thought you were against that kinda shit? Honestly not sure what you're saying. Can you read? You agreed with all of the points, including point 4. Also, the original SMP was founded by ivan which was a sort of admin-only thing seperate to the server then there were cries for ops to be added which made branded it from "totalfreedom admin smp" to "totalfreedom smp".
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 24, 2020 20:37:34 GMT
Honestly not sure what you're saying. Can you read? You agreed with all of the points, including point 4. I do agree with point 4, it fits in with our community's freedom theme and I don't think we need to be staffing up a survival server. Just let people play the game with no staff, I like the idea.
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Post by square on Jun 24, 2020 20:39:36 GMT
Can you read? You agreed with all of the points, including point 4. I do agree with point 4, it fits in with our community's freedom theme and I don't think we need to be staffing up a survival server. Just let people play the game with no staff, I like the idea. I don't mind if it was a third server, however I really dislike how people who wanted to play the SMP and the people who were developing for the SMP get cut off.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 24, 2020 20:40:46 GMT
I do agree with point 4, it fits in with our community's freedom theme and I don't think we need to be staffing up a survival server. Just let people play the game with no staff, I like the idea. I don't mind if it was a third server, however I really dislike how people who wanted to play the SMP and the people who were developing for the SMP get cut off. How exactly is this suggestion cutting people off?
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Post by Darth on Jun 24, 2020 20:43:02 GMT
I don't mind if it was a third server, however I really dislike how people who wanted to play the SMP and the people who were developing for the SMP get cut off. How exactly is this suggestion cutting people off? Because people just spent weeks developing the server to prepare for launch, only to be asked to start from scratch.
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Post by square on Jun 24, 2020 20:43:38 GMT
I don't mind if it was a third server, however I really dislike how people who wanted to play the SMP and the people who were developing for the SMP get cut off. How exactly is this suggestion cutting people off? The new SMP has been in development for a few months now ever since the server died and we have coded 3 plugins for it. There are around 50 people in the SMP discord (more who are not) that are willing to play.
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Post by elmon on Jun 24, 2020 20:43:45 GMT
I can guarantee you if you made a poll asking people TFSMP or Total Anarchy, SMP would win by a mile.
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