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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 14:46:55 GMT
1. So? 2. It wasn’t a corrupt ban and simply was invalid. I tried looking through group chats to see if I could even find anything and I couldn’t. 3. I’m handling my replies just fine. I find it absolutely absurd you are judging me on my replies when you have responded to situations by rage quitting the server. 1) Therefore it isn't enough time, in my opinion. 2) Alright but it's still invalid and you didn't follow policy 3) I objected based on my own opinion. Not yours. While you find it absurd I responded via ragequit, I'd like to remind you that this is your appeal and not my own. 1. This is the only part I am fine with. I respect that. 2. There was no policy at the time that said I had to be transparent with bans, no? 3. I am proving a point that you shouldn’t judge me on how to respond to things because that would be hypocritical judging by the fact that you have rage-quit the server. On no grounds are my responses grounds for permanently bannable offenses.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jun 19, 2020 14:49:15 GMT
1) Therefore it isn't enough time, in my opinion. 2) Alright but it's still invalid and you didn't follow policy 3) I objected based on my own opinion. Not yours. While you find it absurd I responded via ragequit, I'd like to remind you that this is your appeal and not my own. 1. This is the only part I am fine with. I respect that. 2. There was no policy at the time that said I had to be transparent with bans, no? 3. I am proving a point that you shouldn’t judge me on how to respond to things because that would be hypocritical judging by the fact that you have rage-quit the server. On no grounds are my responses grounds for permanently bannable offenses. I understand you didn't see my amendment as I edited it afterwards - I'm not going to argue about this on the forum. My mind likely won't change but if you're willing to do try, DM me on Discord or PM me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 15:44:18 GMT
Staying neutral but leaning towards an objection at this moment. Opinion may change. Obviously I don't know how to read minds, if I could I wouldn't be wasting my time on Minecraft. However, while you "made this appeal just because others DM'd me to", you have strong opinions about the objections and evidence against you. It may be just me being sensitive or that you wanted to clear your name, but it feels almost contradictory to say "I get it if you don't trust me", "I don't plan on going back to TF" and the promptly express "Where is the fucking proof". I believe in second chances, like many of the admins here. Despite your behavior in the past, I honestly believe that you've changed for the better. That said, I personally would still suggest you wait out the ban a bit more and try to respond to the votes more honestly. It's hard to trust what you are saying when you stack statements on top of statements without proof and have a shady past. Not saying that you can't dispute false charges against yourself - you can and you should - but if the odds are stacked against you and you "can't remember", maybe it's time to reflect on yourself a bit more. So you being sensitive is grounds to keep me permanently banned? I think a policy needs to be set for what you can vouch and object on because some of the responses here are simply invalid. I’m asking for direct proof of me being corrupt and there isn’t any. The case here is IxGamerXL was banned and I can’t remember why - but it wasn’t with malicious intent otherwise I would have been caught. I asked “Where is the fucking proof”, because I am tired of asking. People keep pulling shit out of their ass just to keep my ban intact and I am tired of it, for example Caleb saying I raided IxGamerXL’s server when I joined it because other admins joined and I wasn’t causing havoc. I’m not going to keep certain things from November in memory because I can’t remember everything, and well, it was November. I’m disputing false charges, not that I didn’t ban IxGamerXL, but simply the claims that I did it maliciously. The odds are not stacked against me when shit is being posted that are supposed to look like I banned IxGamerXL after the group chat and admin chat logs, but it isn’t the case. You would have seen me make up a reason in the group chat, because that’s how loyal I am to it and still am to this day.
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Post by square on Jun 19, 2020 15:52:12 GMT
vouch
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Jun 19, 2020 16:05:49 GMT
I've changed my vote to a vouch, and that'll be my final decision. Ivan is sincere about this in my opinion, and I don't see any harm in him being unbanned at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 16:30:17 GMT
I vouch for his unban, but on the basis that he's barred from applying for staff for the next 6 months.
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Post by speed on Jun 19, 2020 16:38:08 GMT
vouch, doesn't hurt to unban him
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Post by Darth on Jun 19, 2020 17:14:40 GMT
I change to a vouch, under the condition Wize has provided.
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Post by Zaid on Jun 19, 2020 19:11:46 GMT
Vouch
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Post by SupItsDillon on Jun 19, 2020 19:27:21 GMT
object:
1) way way too early to be unpermbanned 2) you said you weren't going to appeal and now here we are - a quote from your apology just 8 days ago : "I am not in anyway going to appeal my permanent ban" 3) "I still believe I should be permanently banned"
imo what you did deserves a long permban. don't quote me or whatever bc I'm not going to change my vote or argue, and no, it isnt invalid, I've provided my reasons.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 19, 2020 19:40:07 GMT
Changing my vote to a vouch. I'd prefer it that you stuck to your word (at least not going back on it just a week later), and also provided a much more objective reason why you were permbanned than just "I was permbanned for this which was invalid" because there was much more to that story and you know it, there were proven Section 1 conduct policy violations and the vast majority of people voted for you to be permbanned based on them. However, there isn't any harm introduced whatsoever in unbanning you, but I do not expect you to return to any sort of administrative position.
On a side note, not related to this thread specifically, what's with the recent trend of people insisting everyone's objections are invalid? People can vote the way they want regardless of whether people agree with them or not.
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Post by 97 on Jun 19, 2020 20:10:18 GMT
On a side note, not related to this thread specifically, what's with the recent trend of people insisting everyone's objections are invalid? People can vote the way they want regardless of whether people agree with them or not. Probably because of an unpopular vote, or a vote that's different from everyone else.
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 19, 2020 20:21:48 GMT
Changing my vote to a vouch. I'd prefer it that you stuck to your word (at least not going back on it just a week later), and also provided a much more objective reason why you were permbanned than just "I was permbanned for this which was invalid" because there was much more to that story and you know it, there were proven Section 1 conduct policy violations and the vast majority of people voted for you to be permbanned based on them. However, there isn't any harm introduced whatsoever in unbanning you, but I do not expect you to return to any sort of administrative position. On a side note, not related to this thread specifically, what's with the recent trend of people insisting everyone's objections are invalid? People can vote the way they want regardless of whether people agree with them or not. Was going to make a statement on that. You are allowed to object for any reason. You can publicly question an objection/vouch but under no circumstances are you obligated to change it and it doesnt make it "invalid."
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Post by Darth on Jun 19, 2020 21:00:16 GMT
Changing my vote to a vouch. I'd prefer it that you stuck to your word (at least not going back on it just a week later), and also provided a much more objective reason why you were permbanned than just "I was permbanned for this which was invalid" because there was much more to that story and you know it, there were proven Section 1 conduct policy violations and the vast majority of people voted for you to be permbanned based on them. However, there isn't any harm introduced whatsoever in unbanning you, but I do not expect you to return to any sort of administrative position. On a side note, not related to this thread specifically, what's with the recent trend of people insisting everyone's objections are invalid? People can vote the way they want regardless of whether people agree with them or not. You are allowed to object for any reason. What if the reason is something dumb or unfounded? Everyone should have to give a coherent reasoning for ANY vote (except maybe neutral) and back yourself up with facts if accusations are made.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 19, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
You are allowed to object for any reason. What if the reason is something dumb or unfounded? Everyone should have to give a coherent reasoning for ANY vote (except maybe neutral) and back yourself up with facts if accusations are made. Because there is no objective way to determine if a reason is dumb or unfounded, and to open up that door is dangerous. I support reasoning being required for yes and no votes, but I do not in any way support invalidating them based on the content of their reasoning.
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