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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 17, 2020 20:18:37 GMT
Why are you all objecting? This is a clear violation of of our rules and the fact that you guys are all objecting is beyond me. The facts are: He was banned, knowing this, he created a new account to bypass that ban, and continued to play under the new identity. This a clear violation of policy and the circumstances of the ban do not matter, there is a right way and a wrong way of dealing with false bans, this is definitely the wrong way and we should not be allowing people that are not abiding by the conduct policy to get away with it. I'm going to vouch for a temp ban here because of the possible circumstances of the situation, but they still should have attempted to appeal the ban instead of taking matter into their own hands and bypassing their ban. I don't think a perm ban is necessary. Because the original ban was invalid. If we're abiding by the policies, then we unban his original account.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 17, 2020 20:19:01 GMT
I object, as the original ban was invalid. Unban his original account.
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elmon
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Post by elmon on Jun 17, 2020 20:25:33 GMT
Why are you all objecting? This is a clear violation of of our rules and the fact that you guys are all objecting is beyond me. The facts are: He was banned, knowing this, he created a new account to bypass that ban, and continued to play under the new identity. This a clear violation of policy and the circumstances of the ban do not matter, there is a right way and a wrong way of dealing with false bans, this is definitely the wrong way and we should not be allowing people that are not abiding by the conduct policy to get away with it. I'm going to vouch for a temp ban here because of the possible circumstances of the situation, but they still should have attempted to appeal the ban instead of taking matter into their own hands and bypassing their ban. I don't think a perm ban is necessary. Because the original ban was invalid. If we're abiding by the policies, then we unban his original account. If I ban someone now in game falsely, and they go ahead and bypass it, they should be punished for it because they didn't appeal. The fact that they bypassed regardless of the ban reason establishes a pattern of behaviour and allowing them to get away with it. It sets a precedent that we let people get away with not abiding by our conduct policy. I'm not saying he should be perm-forum banned, which is what the normal punishment for bypassing is, I'm saying he should at least be warned or tempbanned.
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blasphemer
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ok im actually gonna get a pfp now
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Post by blasphemer on Jun 17, 2020 20:31:33 GMT
i don't even want my original account, that account is cursed
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 17, 2020 20:34:04 GMT
Because the original ban was invalid. If we're abiding by the policies, then we unban his original account. If I ban someone now in game falsely, and they go ahead and bypass it, they should be punished for it because they didn't appeal. The fact that they bypassed regardless of the ban reason establishes a pattern of behaviour and allowing them to get away with it. It sets a precedent that we let people get away with not abiding by our conduct policy. I'm not saying he should be perm-forum banned, which is what the normal punishment for bypassing is, I'm saying he should at least be warned or tempbanned. Why not just unban the first account and delete the bypassing account? There's more openness to interpretation here given that the original ban was invalid. Deleting the bypassing account is good enough.
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decyj145
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Post by decyj145 on Jun 17, 2020 22:26:48 GMT
Object for reasons above.
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Gommeh
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Post by Gommeh on Jun 18, 2020 15:55:45 GMT
object. Switching to vouch for Kae's reasons.
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fleshy_
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goodbye proboards
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Post by fleshy_ on Jun 18, 2020 16:08:24 GMT
Can confirm I banned this player but do not recall why. Believe it was for a certain reason - I’ll update you if I figure out why. Wasn't FurrySlayer banned because of Pcapi?
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blasphemer
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ok im actually gonna get a pfp now
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Post by blasphemer on Jun 18, 2020 16:08:55 GMT
Can confirm I banned this player but do not recall why. Believe it was for a certain reason - I’ll update you if I figure out why. Wasn't FurrySlayer banned because of Pcapi? You are correct
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:12:51 GMT
Can confirm I banned this player but do not recall why. Believe it was for a certain reason - I’ll update you if I figure out why. Wasn't FurrySlayer banned because of Pcapi? I don’t recall. Again, treating this as invalid on my part.
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fleshy_
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goodbye proboards
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Post by fleshy_ on Jun 18, 2020 16:14:25 GMT
I don’t recall. Again, treating this as invalid on my part Pretty sure he was adding random plugins into the server using pcapi, or at least that's what I remembered
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blasphemer
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ok im actually gonna get a pfp now
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Post by blasphemer on Jun 18, 2020 16:16:31 GMT
I don’t recall. Again, treating this as invalid on my part Pretty sure he was adding random plugins into the server using pcapi, or at least that's what I remembered again, correct
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Post by 97 on Jun 22, 2020 0:41:23 GMT
Bump
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zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Jun 22, 2020 2:25:01 GMT
Pretty sure he was adding random plugins into the server using pcapi, or at least that's what I remembered again, correct How are you not permbanned in game? To me it does look like your forum sanction was valid, because that's how we use to operate. It was not unusual at all for you to be forum banned if you were also permbanned
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blasphemer
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ok im actually gonna get a pfp now
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Post by blasphemer on Jun 22, 2020 3:12:04 GMT
How are you not permbanned in game? To me it does look like your forum sanction was valid, because that's how we use to operate. It was not unusual at all for you to be forum banned if you were also permbanned The thing is that the permban wasn't valid, either. There was no request.
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