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Post by burger on Jun 8, 2020 0:38:39 GMT
With the smp wipe coming up and the excitement for the rebirth of the server rising, I was wondering if we could Bungee the smp to total freedom again. This would help the server grow in various ways. For one it will allow direct access to the server at all times which everyone wants. It also allows new players to visit the server without having to disconnect and rejoin a different ip. imo the very reason smp died in the first place was because the bungee was removed and I don't want it to happen again. if there is a actual reason that this cant be done then that's fine but if its possible I don't see why we don't bungee the servers.
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Post by fionn on Jun 8, 2020 0:40:09 GMT
i vouch
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Post by 97 on Jun 8, 2020 1:00:48 GMT
vouch
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 8, 2020 1:54:44 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 8, 2020 1:59:20 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance It can be made feasible with effort, but as usual, we can't have these nice things because nobody feels like putting any effort at all into our server's infrastructure. The issue is that the current infrastructure is unstable as hell and that is being used an argument to just shut down and not add anything new to the server.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 8, 2020 2:05:05 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance It can be made feasible with effort, but as usual, we can't have these nice things because nobody feels like putting any effort at all into our server's infrastructure. The issue is that the current infrastructure is unstable as hell and that is being used an argument to just shut down and not add anything new to the server. while some of that is true, the main issue with having both on totalfreedom is that, while free-op is actully preaty well optimized (after removing one of our laggyer plugins "SkinRestorer", it seems to be actually super stable), smp is not, and while i dont mean to hate on the developers for smp, the smp isn't too well optimized and theres not too much we can do about that, on top of that, theres no real advantage to having them both connected as, it didnt actualy bring in too many new players to the smp, and it also caused issues of players on the smp then going to the admins on freeop about issues that happened on the smp, which we couldnt do anything about, thus causing them to get mad and leave
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 8, 2020 2:07:08 GMT
Vouch. The memory issues were due to SMP and TF being on the same VPS. Now that they're on different servers, the performance issues aren't there anymore.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 8, 2020 2:08:17 GMT
It can be made feasible with effort, but as usual, we can't have these nice things because nobody feels like putting any effort at all into our server's infrastructure. The issue is that the current infrastructure is unstable as hell and that is being used an argument to just shut down and not add anything new to the server. while some of that is true, the main issue with having both on totalfreedom is that, while free-op is actully preaty well optimized (after removing one of our laggyer plugins "SkinRestorer", it seems to be actually super stable), smp is not, and while i dont mean to hate on the developers for smp, the smp isn't too well optimized and theres not too much we can do about that, on top of that, theres no real advantage to having them both connected as, it didnt actualy bring in too many new players to the smp, and it also caused issues of players on the smp then going to the admins on freeop about issues that happened on the smp, which we couldnt do anything about, thus causing them to get mad and leave not true. how is smp not optimized? server's been up for nearly two days...
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jun 8, 2020 2:08:37 GMT
It can be made feasible with effort, but as usual, we can't have these nice things because nobody feels like putting any effort at all into our server's infrastructure. The issue is that the current infrastructure is unstable as hell and that is being used an argument to just shut down and not add anything new to the server. while some of that is true, the main issue with having both on totalfreedom is that, while free-op is actully preaty well optimized (after removing one of our laggyer plugins "SkinRestorer", it seems to be actually super stable), smp is not, and while i dont mean to hate on the developers for smp, the smp isn't too well optimized and theres not too much we can do about that, on top of that, theres no real advantage to having them both connected as, it didnt actualy bring in too many new players to the smp, and it also caused issues of players on the smp then going to the admins on freeop about issues that happened on the smp, which we couldnt do anything about, thus causing them to get mad and leave How is there "not too much we can do about that"? SMP is literally the simplest type of Minecraft server there is, problems are fixable if there is a competent system administrator. The rest of the problems you listed are management issues that can be fixed through different means.
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Post by Telesphoreo on Jun 8, 2020 2:12:32 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance Correct me if I'm wrong but bungeeing two servers together isn't going to eat up or require more RAM (on the individual servers). it requires RAM to run a bungee server, but you don't need to give it a crap ton of memory, which is the vibe that I'm getting from this.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 8, 2020 2:15:59 GMT
while some of that is true, the main issue with having both on totalfreedom is that, while free-op is actully preaty well optimized (after removing one of our laggyer plugins "SkinRestorer", it seems to be actually super stable), smp is not, and while i dont mean to hate on the developers for smp, the smp isn't too well optimized and theres not too much we can do about that, on top of that, theres no real advantage to having them both connected as, it didnt actualy bring in too many new players to the smp, and it also caused issues of players on the smp then going to the admins on freeop about issues that happened on the smp, which we couldnt do anything about, thus causing them to get mad and leave not true. how is smp not optimized? server's been up for nearly two days... ah, i'm sorry i prob shouldnt have jumped to conclusions, i havent actualy been on the smp that much in a while, so i had thought that it was still a bit ify, but if its all fixed then we might be able to actualy do this
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 8, 2020 12:36:51 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance The bungee needs less than 1GB of RAM to function... Really not sure how the hell this is a problem. You just spin up the bungee on one of the servers, and have it talk to the two existing servers. Should be no performance difference at all.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Jun 8, 2020 13:31:02 GMT
i would love this however we had good reason for not doing it, for 1 it requires so much ram and can easily break everything, we origionaly removed it due to a issue with smp having a memory leak and thus it was breaking both freeop and smp, and nobody likes that, overall its an issue of server stability and how much resorces we have for the server, it just isnt feesable to have both on the same server without any major issues with proformance The bungee needs less than 1GB of RAM to function... Really not sure how the hell this is a problem. You just spin up the bungee on one of the servers, and have it talk to the two existing servers. Should be no performance difference at all. only problem Current Total Ram: 8 GB Freeop : 4-5 GB Smp 1-2 GB Bungee: 1 GB Third server because bungee needs to have 3 servers for whatever reason : 1?? Gb Everything else (e.g netdata, http, amp, SQL, whatever else) = 0.5-1 gb mabye more As you can see this doesnt quite add up, and while we could just then use swap, I think it would be much better for preformance sake to not be using swap memory, so we would probably need to upgrade the whole vps or whatever
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Jun 8, 2020 14:20:43 GMT
The bungee needs less than 1GB of RAM to function... Really not sure how the hell this is a problem. You just spin up the bungee on one of the servers, and have it talk to the two existing servers. Should be no performance difference at all. only problem Current Total Ram: 8 GB Freeop : 4-5 GB Smp 1-2 GB Bungee: 1 GB Third server because bungee needs to have 3 servers for whatever reason : 1?? Gb Everything else (e.g netdata, http, amp, SQL, whatever else) = 0.5-1 gb mabye more As you can see this doesnt quite add up, and while we could just then use swap, I think it would be much better for preformance sake to not be using swap memory, so we would probably need to upgrade the whole vps or whatever Except we have 16GB of RAM and not 8.
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Post by Wild1145 on Jun 8, 2020 14:22:24 GMT
The bungee needs less than 1GB of RAM to function... Really not sure how the hell this is a problem. You just spin up the bungee on one of the servers, and have it talk to the two existing servers. Should be no performance difference at all. only problem Current Total Ram: 8 GB Freeop : 4-5 GB Smp 1-2 GB Bungee: 1 GB Third server because bungee needs to have 3 servers for whatever reason : 1?? Gb Everything else (e.g netdata, http, amp, SQL, whatever else) = 0.5-1 gb mabye more As you can see this doesnt quite add up, and while we could just then use swap, I think it would be much better for preformance sake to not be using swap memory, so we would probably need to upgrade the whole vps or whatever Fairly sure you can run a bungee on 256Mb. Either way my understanding was SMP was on a separate VPS anyway, so surely we don't care? But your right, we should probably be upgrading the server if we want to do this, there will be an overhead anyway. And Bungee absolutely does not need 3 servers, it just tends to be a common pattern so people join a 'Hub' you can still use forced hosts to auto route people to the freedom or the SMP server based on the connecting hostname if you want to.
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