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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 22:19:26 GMT
Original suggestion was about bringing back TPaS
Then it was about probation for supers New suggestion: Bring back the so called 'Application Season' system trialed a few years back. Every year we had a specific set of months where applications were opened. This however was stopped after a short period of time. For right now, I suggest we put all applications on hold. The highest amount of players hit this year was 36, on May 08. For 36 players you would probably work on a 1:6 ratio, so 6 admins or even 4 could cover the server.
Until we need admins, or until at least a set number have left, we don't open them.
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Post by square on May 29, 2020 22:20:18 GMT
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Post by super on May 29, 2020 22:23:47 GMT
objection, it was removed for a reason and i don't personally think it's a very good system because i feel like it shows less effort being put in by the operator.
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Post by Luke on May 29, 2020 22:24:25 GMT
Objection. It's not been missed.
oft it looks like you haven't learned your lesson from your ban...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 22:25:01 GMT
objection, it was removed for a reason and i don't personally think it's a very good system because i feel like it shows less effort being put in by the operator. You were meant to be picked for PaS only if you were outstanding, however for some this was different because as I said the seniors didn't have voting.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 22:25:43 GMT
Forgot to mention as well that this is not just from me, it's also from Taze and a couple others. We discussed this before my pban
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Post by super on May 29, 2020 22:26:13 GMT
objection, it was removed for a reason and i don't personally think it's a very good system because i feel like it shows less effort being put in by the operator. You were meant to be picked for PaS only if you were outstanding, however for some this was different because as I said the seniors didn't have voting. yeah, but this was easily exploited as some ops that weren't capable were chosen. a good example of this was when wilee spas'd an op that was totally unfit and had mostly objections. it was a case of abuse and he got suspended for it.
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Post by neroblackcat on May 29, 2020 22:27:48 GMT
It created more problems than anything. I object.
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Post by 97 on May 29, 2020 22:33:35 GMT
Holy crap no object.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 22:55:47 GMT
You were meant to be picked for PaS only if you were outstanding, however for some this was different because as I said the seniors didn't have voting. yeah, but this was easily exploited as some ops that weren't capable were chosen. a good example of this was when wilee spas'd an op that was totally unfit and had mostly objections. it was a case of abuse and he got suspended for it. That's why i'm saying bring it back with votes
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Post by tozzit on May 29, 2020 23:03:33 GMT
object we just dont need this system and we dont need more admins
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Luke
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Post by Luke on May 29, 2020 23:12:22 GMT
yeah, but this was easily exploited as some ops that weren't capable were chosen. a good example of this was when wilee spas'd an op that was totally unfit and had mostly objections. it was a case of abuse and he got suspended for it. That's why i'm saying bring it back with votes what's the difference between PAS voting and admin app voting?
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Post by Taze on May 29, 2020 23:17:11 GMT
In my opinion, the *PaS system was always ridiculous. Being able to pick someone for super without an approved application wasn't smart. Every server has applications and so do we. Being able to bypass the application with a *PaS system is what we used to have here. What other servers don't have because it seems unfair to bypass the normal going of an application. Especially when it came to SPaS which was even a worse system than TPaS. Seniors were able to pick whoever they wanted for Super without the application having to be approved. Eventually, this sometimes was risky and went wrong after someone SPaS'd an operator and turned out they weren't made for the position.
I've seen some good things into the TPaS system, though. Being able to pick someone on request without having the application to be accepted. Although we could've just let everyone vote on the application and see if they get accepted through that. If they don't, they're not good enough to become an admin. The problem was into the SPaS system where it'd be without a request. Just letting any Senior pick an operator for Senior was risky and sometimes even useless ('they didn't need SPaS to get approved, they're application was already going well enough'). I prefer we just keep it the way how we have it right now then let a *PaS system bypass the application and just pick them . Although I do think picking them on a request for Seniors-only could work. I think it'd be better to just still keep the PaS system out.
Responses to your statements which aren't PaS-related: - Admins must do a training session with the OP or ask a fellow admin to help out (to make sure there is a good reason for making the PaS).
Training an operator to become an admin is a great idea but in my opinion shouldn't be a need an OP for to have. It'd be a good idea to somehow add a tip to becoming an admin by getting trained by an admin. This would definitely help the player knowing more about becoming an admin.
- Admins must have some admin witnesses to the behaviour of the OP
I'm guessing this one also probably has to deal somewhat with the PaS system, I think needing to have proof or witnesses to confirm an OP's behavior shouldn't be needed. Not needed on applications or (if we would still have them,) PaS-requests. If an admin wants to know how an operator is in-game, they just hop on the server and check their behavior out for themselves.
It's in my opinion to have a system where you can just pick someone for a position without the application getting approved based on votes. So I'm objecting, the application system we currently have is fine and we wouldn't need to bring PaS back.
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Post by Alco RS11 on May 29, 2020 23:23:21 GMT
I Object. *PaS was removed for a reason.
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Post by Darth on May 29, 2020 23:37:07 GMT
Forgot to mention as well that this is not just from me, it's also from Taze and a couple others. We discussed this before my pban Best not to speak for others, they may have differing opinions that you don't know. I object. Frankly, this suggestion is completely useless. Did you even research why it was removed?
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