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Post by elmon on May 16, 2020 20:31:34 GMT
How exactly do you suggest doing that? The IA's were there to ensure Executives and staff follow proper conduct. If you want to be an Executive you should be stepping down as any involvement in IA or vise-versa. Unless I've mis-understood what the entire point of this is even more than I probably do...? IA works directly with the EAO, and is an executive role. There is however a team that works under IA as information gatherers, these people are obviously not executives
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 20:33:09 GMT
I think one of the best things to do is get certain members of the community together to nominate two IA members that would be Telnet+. Then it will remain anonymous until the two members are revealed.
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Post by elmon on May 16, 2020 20:34:03 GMT
I think one of the best things to do is get certain members of the community together to nominate two IA members that would be Telnet+. Then it will remain anonymous until the two members are revealed. That defeats the purpose of IA as the community does not know who to report incidents to.
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Post by elmon on May 16, 2020 20:35:51 GMT
That's not my main point, my point is I don't think the runner up should be a guaranteed an assistant position because if they don't get along with the elected executive it wouldn't work out. Then just initiate a voteoff? We shouldn't have the default be people who may or may not get along well be the exec and assistant, it is alot more effective to have the executive, who is obviously trusted by the community, to select their assistant that they will get along with and effectively fulfill their role.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 20:36:05 GMT
I think one of the best things to do is get certain members of the community together to nominate two IA members that would be Telnet+. Then it will remain anonymous until the two members are revealed. Again, beyond the scope of this suggestion. I'm just trying to have clear and consistent policy coverage of what the current state of affairs is with a few tweaks to make elections more democratic.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 20:37:57 GMT
Then just initiate a voteoff? We shouldn't have the default be people who may or may not get along well be the exec and assistant, it is alot more effective to have the executive, who is obviously trusted by the community, to select their assistant that they will get along with and effectively fulfill their role. I had a vote on this a while ago and like a percentage of 90% of people voted in favor of having a system where assistants are voted in and this is even more watered down than that. I'm just trying to prevent a situation in which groups of people in the community are disenfranchised, I can change the wording to where if the assistant doesn't want to work with whoever was elected then they don't have to take the job.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 20:48:20 GMT
I think one of the best things to do is get certain members of the community together to nominate two IA members that would be Telnet+. Then it will remain anonymous until the two members are revealed. That defeats the purpose of IA as the community does not know who to report incidents to. no i mean that the voted people will be revealed after the vote
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 20:52:55 GMT
The IA's were there to ensure Executives and staff follow proper conduct. If you want to be an Executive you should be stepping down as any involvement in IA or vise-versa. Unless I've mis-understood what the entire point of this is even more than I probably do...? IA works directly with the EAO, and is an executive role. There is however a team that works under IA as information gatherers, these people are obviously not executives Sorta feels like a conflict of interest there then but hey ho...
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 20:53:44 GMT
The IA's were there to ensure Executives and staff follow proper conduct. If you want to be an Executive you should be stepping down as any involvement in IA or vise-versa. Unless I've mis-understood what the entire point of this is even more than I probably do...? That's beyond the scope of what I'm suggesting, I'm not trying to change the way Internal Affairs works, if you want to do that you should post a different suggestion. Cool, we're on two very different pages then. Shall leave this thread be.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 16, 2020 20:55:32 GMT
That's beyond the scope of what I'm suggesting, I'm not trying to change the way Internal Affairs works, if you want to do that you should post a different suggestion. Cool, we're on two very different pages then. Shall leave this thread be. I didn't say I was completely opposed to changing anything, I simply said I wasn't trying to accomplish that in this thread.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 20:56:01 GMT
Then just initiate a voteoff? We shouldn't have the default be people who may or may not get along well be the exec and assistant, it is alot more effective to have the executive, who is obviously trusted by the community, to select their assistant that they will get along with and effectively fulfill their role. I don't entirely recall the policy, but if an assistant is automatically promoted to the full role if the executive steps down / takes up another role, I absolutely disagree and think the assistant should be voted in, otherwise you risk having an 'Old boys club' where only people in particular friendship groups end up actually representing the community, when the community may not want them to represent them. If it's a vote no matter what if the executive position is vacant, I'd be less against to this.
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Post by elmon on May 16, 2020 20:56:43 GMT
IA works directly with the EAO, and is an executive role. There is however a team that works under IA as information gatherers, these people are obviously not executives Sorta feels like a conflict of interest there then but hey ho... No, if the current IA exec (currently Zevante) is abusing or doing something IA would generally investigate, you would report it directly so Seth and that's that.
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Post by elmon on May 16, 2020 20:58:00 GMT
I don't entirely recall the policy, but if an assistant is automatically promoted to the full role if the executive steps down / takes up another role, I absolutely disagree and think the assistant should be voted in, otherwise you risk having an 'Old boys club' where only people in particular friendship groups end up actually representing the community, when the community may not want them to represent them. If it's a vote no matter what if the executive position is vacant, I'd be less against to this. That's not how it works, the assistant temporarily partially assumes the role of the exec until a new one is elected.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 20:58:59 GMT
Sorta feels like a conflict of interest there then but hey ho... No, if the current IA exec (currently Zevante) is abusing or doing something IA would generally investigate, you would report it directly so Seth and that's that. My concern was more around how they're classed as 'An Executive'... Feels like if they're actually going to do a productive role they probably should be sitting outside of that and this shouldn't be the sort of role that ends up either as an old boy's club or just in it for a title... Just feels wrong (Can't really explain it), my understanding all of the IA Structure was supposed to be monitoring and investigating the staff, so feels slightly wrong that they logically sit where they do, that was my point.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 16, 2020 21:01:06 GMT
I don't entirely recall the policy, but if an assistant is automatically promoted to the full role if the executive steps down / takes up another role, I absolutely disagree and think the assistant should be voted in, otherwise you risk having an 'Old boys club' where only people in particular friendship groups end up actually representing the community, when the community may not want them to represent them. If it's a vote no matter what if the executive position is vacant, I'd be less against to this. That's not how it works, the assistant temporarily partially assumes the role of the exec until a new one is elected. Assuming that in all cases a vote is mandatory I'd agree that having the 2nd most popular person automatically 'offered' the assistant role with the option to refuse would be good, and then if there ends up being an assistants vacancy then it's just down to do we want that voted in, or the exec to pick the role. Personally I'm not fussed either way. I just don't want a scenario where someone can be 'offered' an assistants role, and then said assistant automatically being promoted without a vote but it sounds like that doesn't happen anyway for the most part.
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