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Post by elmon on May 15, 2020 6:34:17 GMT
the one under mark and windows? maybe. i honestly can remember if "nigga" was allowed under them It was never disallowed. Except it was.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 15, 2020 6:34:52 GMT
Can you cite evidence of this?
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Post by ron on May 15, 2020 6:39:34 GMT
I personally have said the n word multiple times and I would first apologize about how I use the term normally without knowing it’s history or how much pain the black community have gone through with the word (that was all because of my ignorance) but I think that enforcing a rule like this is still really confusing to me especially the fact that people would find different ways to be racist without saying any slurs or whatever. Although I’m personally against white people irl saying the n word in a malicious way, I still think that it shouldn’t be taken here seriously. Personally especially in the internet I don’t like to order around people to say and what not to say because it can sound very hypocritical to me. I think everyone here knows when something is very discriminative and what is not. But I’m all in for a very flexible policy where blatant racism or discrimination is used just by the context on how the said word is used is not allowed wrd. That’s just my opinion doe?
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on May 15, 2020 6:48:29 GMT
I personally have said the n word multiple times and I would first apologize about how I use the term normally without knowing it’s history or how much pain the black community have gone through with the word (that was all because of my ignorance) but I think that enforcing a rule like this is still really confusing to me especially the fact that people would find different ways to be racist without saying any slurs or whatever. Although I’m personally against white people irl saying the n word in a malicious way, I still think that it shouldn’t be taken here seriously. Personally especially in the internet I don’t like to order around people to say and what not to say because it can sound very hypocritical to me. I think everyone here knows when something is very discriminative and what is not. But I’m all in for a very flexible policy where blatant racism or discrimination is used just by the context on how the said word is used is not allowed wrd. That’s just my opinion doe? thats the problem, its the exact same thing as what we had before with the (unless its a joke) thing, using this rule you could just say whatever the fuck you wanted and claim it was a joke, the problem with this is that many admins turned a blind eye to this because a lot of the higher ups (aka ivan, lemon, ect.) where doing it, and most people assume that if the higher ups are doing it then its probably fine. the zero tolerance policy works because it is zero tolerance, if it wasnt then you could just claim that it was just a joke, or not being used in a derogetory maner and that would mean you could basicly say what ever you want, this is a terrible idea to be more lineant about this, as, that will just cause more problems
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Post by elmon on May 15, 2020 6:48:39 GMT
Can you cite evidence of this? the n word without thinking about it, but with some recent events it's clear I can't have the "if it's a joke" or not anymore. <snip> For this reason I'm going to have to put down a zero tolerance policy on racial slurs Policy doesn't specify what form of the n word. In practice it has been disallowed and that is the whole purpose of the thread, to achieve what you think is already achieved (it's not).
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Post by speed on May 15, 2020 6:49:44 GMT
Allow it. If it really needs to be done, explicitly clarify what's "allowed" or "not allowed" in the policy. However, it should still be very obvious to tell the difference between a player is being blatantly racist / discriminative VS using it in a non-derogatory manner.
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Post by elmon on May 15, 2020 6:51:30 GMT
I personally have said the n word multiple times and I would first apologize about how I use the term normally without knowing it’s history or how much pain the black community have gone through with the word (that was all because of my ignorance) but I think that enforcing a rule like this is still really confusing to me especially the fact that people would find different ways to be racist without saying any slurs or whatever. Although I’m personally against white people irl saying the n word in a malicious way, I still think that it shouldn’t be taken here seriously. Personally especially in the internet I don’t like to order around people to say and what not to say because it can sound very hypocritical to me. I think everyone here knows when something is very discriminative and what is not. But I’m all in for a very flexible policy where blatant racism or discrimination is used just by the context on how the said word is used is not allowed wrd. That’s just my opinion doe? thats the problem, its the exact same thing as what we had before with the (unless its a joke) thing, using this rule you could just say whatever the fuck you wanted and claim it was a joke, the problem with this is that many admins turned a blind eye to this because a lot of the higher ups (aka ivan, lemon, ect.) where doing it, and most people assume that if the higher ups are doing it then its probably fine. the zero tolerance policy works because it is zero tolerance, if it wasnt then you could just claim that it was just a joke, or not being used in a derogetory maner and that would mean you could basicly say what ever you want, this is a terrible idea to be more lineant about this, as, that will just cause more problems Using it "as a joke" is a LOT more vague than using it in a dergatory manner. You are either being racist with it, or not. It's alot clearer than someone saying "it was just a joke".
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Post by mibbzz on May 15, 2020 6:59:40 GMT
Allow nigga, if you see a higher up saying a hard R than make an issue of it. The solution to people abusing isn't just allowing everyone to then do it, it's to actually fix the issue. Premise of this thread is dumb
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 15, 2020 7:03:44 GMT
Can you cite evidence of this? the n word without thinking about it, but with some recent events it's clear I can't have the "if it's a joke" or not anymore. <snip> For this reason I'm going to have to put down a zero tolerance policy on racial slurs Policy doesn't specify what form of the n word. In practice it has been disallowed and that is the whole purpose of the thread, to achieve what you think is already achieved (it's not). Didn't answer my question. I was asking for evidence of the zero tolerance policy being executed against someone for saying "nigga." If you recall, the zero tolerance policy was already in place for most of the history of this server, it was a change sometime after Seth became owner when he changed the conduct policy to be a lot more lenient, and I have never seen somebody actually get reprimanded for using the word following the zero tolerance policy being put into place. There is dictionary, denotative meaning which exempts the word from falling under a racial slur in an absolute way, which is why it hasn't been executed in such a way.
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Post by elmon on May 15, 2020 7:06:45 GMT
Policy doesn't specify what form of the n word. In practice it has been disallowed and that is the whole purpose of the thread, to achieve what you think is already achieved (it's not). Didn't answer my question. I was asking for evidence of the zero tolerance policy being executed against someone for saying "nigga." If you recall, the zero tolerance policy was already in place for most of the history of this server, it was a change sometime after Seth became owner when he changed the conduct policy to be a lot more lenient, and I have never seen somebody actually get reprimanded for using the word following the zero tolerance policy being put into place. There is dictionary, denotative meaning which exempts the word from falling under a racial slur in an absolute way, which is why it hasn't been executed in such a way. You say that, but your perspective is purely on the forums, where the word has not been used outside of the context of a quote in an argument since the zero tolerance policy was put in place. In game and on discord the general consensus is that any form of the word is punishable, and that's how it has been enforced.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 15, 2020 7:27:11 GMT
I don't think it was Allowed I just think most of the time you'd get a slap on the wrist for it. I know when I actively administrated I'd warn admins or players for using terms like that, but it tended to be a verbal warning and that was about it, most people stopped doing it after the first warning, or if they did continue they didn't do it in public.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 15, 2020 7:29:05 GMT
Didn't answer my question. I was asking for evidence of the zero tolerance policy being executed against someone for saying "nigga." If you recall, the zero tolerance policy was already in place for most of the history of this server, it was a change sometime after Seth became owner when he changed the conduct policy to be a lot more lenient, and I have never seen somebody actually get reprimanded for using the word following the zero tolerance policy being put into place. There is dictionary, denotative meaning which exempts the word from falling under a racial slur in an absolute way, which is why it hasn't been executed in such a way. You say that, but your perspective is purely on the forums, where the word has not been used outside of the context of a quote in an argument since the zero tolerance policy was put in place. In game and on discord the general consensus is that any form of the word is punishable, and that's how it has been enforced. Okay? I'm referring to the fact that you can literally go to search right now and find countless examples, you keep mentioning how it's punishable without showing me how.
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Post by elmon on May 15, 2020 7:37:02 GMT
You say that, but your perspective is purely on the forums, where the word has not been used outside of the context of a quote in an argument since the zero tolerance policy was put in place. In game and on discord the general consensus is that any form of the word is punishable, and that's how it has been enforced. Okay? I'm referring to the fact that you can literally go to search right now and find countless examples, you keep mentioning how it's punishable without showing me how. Just went on search right now, since the zero tolerance and outside of this thread, it was used in 1 other thread in spam and drama which was someone pasting song lyrics. I am sure every active player on here can verify that the n word has been punished for it's usage in all forms on the server. I am not going to sift through logs when the vast majority of people reading this know what I'm referring to.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 15, 2020 7:39:42 GMT
I think the idea should be that the policy is not subjective. It's fine if you want to always allow "nigga" and disallow "nigger", the problems start when the policy requires you to determine whether it was a joke or not.
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Post by prince on May 15, 2020 8:15:03 GMT
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