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Post by fionn on May 10, 2020 3:10:33 GMT
Is it about the future of TF? I was chilling in UMC's discord simply talking and you were bringing up drama there for no reason when you could've at least dm'd me instead of dragging this onto another server... Even though I could find out what's up myself on the forums. Also the "seth friend group" shit is getting old. Are you going to call someone a seth friend every time they disagree with you over policy? Both of these things are overly dramatic in my opinion. And yes, I said "in my opinion." ye but ur not fionn or sks ¿¿¿no quema cuh??? i said that because it's my opinion like nero said, this seth friend shit is getting really old and repetitive and almost as a scapegoat for people when someone who is remotely close to seth on the server agrees with something he says, it's retarded. as for what i said, seth is not forced to do anything on this server? he owns the server and chooses for it to be a democracy, he could make it a fascist dictatorship and we could do nothing about it he owns the server, runs it, pays for it and maintains it and if it wasn't for him totalfreedom wouldn't be alive right now. "As I said before, anyone could take the power with Seth's passwords" He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" I know atleast 5 people on here that know how to get in contact with her, if they are gone / resign they will always still be on discord. I will, for sure. "any executives who would hold these powers could have left too."" The server will never have no executives, ever.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 3:16:14 GMT
ye but ur not fionn or sks ¿¿¿no quema cuh??? i said that because it's my opinion like nero said, this seth friend shit is getting really old and repetitive and almost as a scapegoat for people when someone who is remotely close to seth on the server agrees with something he says, it's retarded. as for what i said, seth is not forced to do anything on this server? he owns the server and chooses for it to be a democracy, he could make it a fascist dictatorship and we could do nothing about it he owns the server, runs it, pays for it and maintains it and if it wasn't for him totalfreedom wouldn't be alive right now. "As I said before, anyone could take the power with Seth's passwords" He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" I know atleast 5 people on here that know how to get in contact with her, if they are gone / resign they will always still be on discord. I will, for sure. "any executives who would hold these powers could have left too."" The server will never have no executives, ever. We shouldn't have to rely on our own families to support a server on a block game.
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fionn
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Post by fionn on May 10, 2020 3:17:12 GMT
¿¿¿no quema cuh??? i said that because it's my opinion like nero said, this seth friend shit is getting really old and repetitive and almost as a scapegoat for people when someone who is remotely close to seth on the server agrees with something he says, it's retarded. as for what i said, seth is not forced to do anything on this server? he owns the server and chooses for it to be a democracy, he could make it a fascist dictatorship and we could do nothing about it he owns the server, runs it, pays for it and maintains it and if it wasn't for him totalfreedom wouldn't be alive right now. "As I said before, anyone could take the power with Seth's passwords" He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" I know atleast 5 people on here that know how to get in contact with her, if they are gone / resign they will always still be on discord. I will, for sure. "any executives who would hold these powers could have left too."" The server will never have no executives, ever. We shouldn't have to rely on our own families to support a server on a block game. Then leave it die
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 3:20:13 GMT
ye but ur not fionn or sks ¿¿¿no quema cuh??? i said that because it's my opinion like nero said, this seth friend shit is getting really old and repetitive and almost as a scapegoat for people when someone who is remotely close to seth on the server agrees with something he says, it's retarded. as for what i said, seth is not forced to do anything on this server? he owns the server and chooses for it to be a democracy, he could make it a fascist dictatorship and we could do nothing about it he owns the server, runs it, pays for it and maintains it and if it wasn't for him totalfreedom wouldn't be alive right now. "As I said before, anyone could take the power with Seth's passwords" He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" I know atleast 5 people on here that know how to get in contact with her, if they are gone / resign they will always still be on discord. I will, for sure. "any executives who would hold these powers could have left too."" The server will never have no executives, ever. What an awful point. So just because he isn't "forced to do anything on this server" we shouldn't have the policy which recognizes him as the owner in place? "Chooses for it to be a democracy", what exactly makes this a democracy when you can have this community almost unanimously vote on something and have a thread be nuked and criticism ignored? "He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file." He did not say this (in public), in fact he said "there are people" that know how to contact her, which is dangerously vague. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" So according to you at least 6 people know how to get in contact with her including you, so how exactly is she supposed to know who the hell the admin officer is? It's a chaotic situation waiting to happen and shouldn't be a matter of "what random people here can get control over the server from Seth's sister." "The server will never have no executives, ever." Perhaps, so then it would be nice to use the policy which involved such executives?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 3:21:40 GMT
We shouldn't have to rely on our own families to support a server on a block game. Then leave it die What a great response, "then leave it die". No thanks, I'd rather have the policy which was set up to actually keep this community alive in a scenario in which it had to be invoked, rather than the policy which the best defense of it I've seen so far is "leave it die".
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fionn
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Post by fionn on May 10, 2020 3:22:47 GMT
¿¿¿no quema cuh??? i said that because it's my opinion like nero said, this seth friend shit is getting really old and repetitive and almost as a scapegoat for people when someone who is remotely close to seth on the server agrees with something he says, it's retarded. as for what i said, seth is not forced to do anything on this server? he owns the server and chooses for it to be a democracy, he could make it a fascist dictatorship and we could do nothing about it he owns the server, runs it, pays for it and maintains it and if it wasn't for him totalfreedom wouldn't be alive right now. "As I said before, anyone could take the power with Seth's passwords" He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" I know atleast 5 people on here that know how to get in contact with her, if they are gone / resign they will always still be on discord. I will, for sure. "any executives who would hold these powers could have left too."" The server will never have no executives, ever. What an awful point. So just because he isn't "forced to do anything on this server" we shouldn't have the policy which recognizes him as the owner in place? "Chooses for it to be a democracy", what exactly makes this a democracy when you can have this community almost unanimously vote on something and have a thread be nuked and criticism ignored? "He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file." He did not say this (in public), in fact he said "there are people" that know how to contact her, which is dangerously vague. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" So according to you at least 6 people know how to get in contact with her including you, so how exactly is she supposed to know who the hell the admin officer is? It's a chaotic situation waiting to happen and shouldn't be a matter of "what random people here can get control over the server from Seth's sister." "The server will never have no executives, ever." Perhaps, so then it would be nice to use the policy which involved such executives? If he doesn't want a policy we don't need to make one. We aren't sworn to democracy. He owns the server, he has stated he wants this to be the policy in action, not the other one.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 3:29:36 GMT
What an awful point. So just because he isn't "forced to do anything on this server" we shouldn't have the policy which recognizes him as the owner in place? "Chooses for it to be a democracy", what exactly makes this a democracy when you can have this community almost unanimously vote on something and have a thread be nuked and criticism ignored? "He stated that the admin officer will get access to these, nobody else. You're making it out that every high ranking admin on the server will have access to the document file." He did not say this (in public), in fact he said "there are people" that know how to contact her, which is dangerously vague. "the people that know Seth's sister could be gone in the event of his death" So according to you at least 6 people know how to get in contact with her including you, so how exactly is she supposed to know who the hell the admin officer is? It's a chaotic situation waiting to happen and shouldn't be a matter of "what random people here can get control over the server from Seth's sister." "The server will never have no executives, ever." Perhaps, so then it would be nice to use the policy which involved such executives? If he doesn't want a policy we don't need to make one. We aren't sworn to democracy. He owns the server, he has stated he wants this to be the policy in action, not the other one. You're right, we don't need to make one, we've already have one and can put it right back into place. Just because he owns the server does not change the fact that he's wrong, facts don't care about your feelings. The fact is that the ownership policy as it was put in place was the only thing which legitimized Seth's position of power, he was elected owner based on it, and with that policy removed him being owner is not legitimized on a basis of policy. What if somebody was to challenge Seth's position as owner? Technically they'd have all the means to do it; what policy says Seth is the owner? What would stop Finest from removing Seth from owner on the forum? Not a likely scenario at all to randomly occur, but at least if he did it with the ownership policy in place he'd be violating a policy versus having no policy to point to in order to say that it was a policy violation to remove him. Point is that the ownership policy is a protection of Seth's status and also covers any disastrous scenarios, it's not something that anybody in their right mind would want to get rid of.
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Post by Hockey on May 10, 2020 3:29:37 GMT
I think the original ownership policy was much more comprehensive than this one. Doesn’t make sense to remove it, change your mind about having an ownership policy, and then put in place a vastly inferior, less guided version.
At the time of that whole crisis, I was the executive admin officer, and it was a disaster to handle. I had a really good team of people helping me, but there were definitely some power struggles that having an ownership policy would’ve prevented. I remember at one point walking into a discord voice chat to calm people down things, and it was crazy. I don’t want anyone to have to deal with this situation again, which is why we drafted such a detailed policy. Having a policy about exactly what happens answers all those questions like “who’s really in charge”, “who has the final say in decisions until we find an owner”, “how do we keep the server up”, and, most importantly, how are we going to find a new owner”?
This is my two cents. I’d love to see the original policy reinstated.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 3:35:39 GMT
Here's another thing, where's Internal Affairs in all of this?? Isn't it their job to "maintain TF's community values"? Going against an almost unanimous vote certainly sounds to me like going against our community values. I'd love to see Internal Affairs provide a response to this.
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Post by 97 on May 10, 2020 3:46:04 GMT
I'd love to see Internal Affairs provide a response to this. Internal Affairs has not done a single thing since Nero has stepped down and that's probably why.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 3:48:47 GMT
I'd love to see Internal Affairs provide a response to this. Internal Affairs has not done a single thing since Nero has stepped down and that's probably why. But why? There are 2 other people.
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Post by zeseryu on May 10, 2020 4:00:40 GMT
Internal Affairs has not done a single thing since Nero has stepped down and that's probably why. But why? There are 2 other people. IA can't do anything without the EAO's approval, since we're without an EAO currently i thought it would be best to pause IA. I will give this statement however. If the community wants it, we must give it to them.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on May 10, 2020 4:36:34 GMT
Ok since you all are arguing about this, this is the solution. Seth's sister gets the server when Seth does.
There problem solved stop having flame wars about who has access to those documents
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Post by ?Robin on May 10, 2020 5:03:48 GMT
Ok since you all are arguing about this, this is the solution. Seth's sister gets the server when Seth does. There problem solved stop having flame wars about who has access to those documents 1) she wouldn't even claim ownership, knowing her, she'd probably ask someone she knows on what to do, etc 2) maybe don't post this while this point has already been made and it's been flung down please
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 10, 2020 5:05:01 GMT
Ok since you all are arguing about this, this is the solution. Seth's sister gets the server when Seth does. There problem solved stop having flame wars about who has access to those documents Yeah no, the problem is solved by reinstating the ownership policy that the community has voted on.
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