Lykhant
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Post by Lykhant on May 7, 2020 12:54:27 GMT
While I have already tried to express my discomfort regarding this topic, I feel I have not done it correctly. An example of this is how I made a picture of originally satirical nature but was probably (and understandably) considered as something that could stir drama, since a message posted by Paige with said picture was deleted shortly after (with no warning, too).
I clarify that, neither on this recent past nor on the present, intend(ed) to actually cause any harm or drama.
I want to discuss this matter in a better way, and because of that, I have decided to make this thread.
Getting to the main point, I feel that this rule (stated in #important-information in the Discord server), is, in my opinion, unjustified:
Now, I can see where this comes from. Yes, I can understand that for some, it can be annoying. But there is something I want to mention: It is possible to mute people in your Discord client. Everyone else is able to hear the person you just muted, but you are not. Simple and easy, this scenario makes both parties happy: The user that bothers you still can talk to the rest of people, and you do not have to deal with them if you do not want to.
I can understand that you server mute someone for playing annoying or loud sounds, some of you may think that it is the same as using a voice changer. There is, however, a difference in intention (of course, this is a generalization). With loud sounds someone may intentionally plan to discomfort someone, while with a voice changer someone may just want to talk but also try to hide their voice due to shyness, privacy or any other reasons. Of course, there may be people who just want to play a random funny sound, and there may be people who use a voice changer just to annoy other people, but the main idea I am trying to convey here is that a voice changer user does not always intend to troll. It is fine to punish those that use it in malicious ways, but otherwise, it does not appear to be justified.
From my point of view, these reasons make the rule unnecessary. I again want to emphasize that a punishment does seem appropiate when a voice changer is being used to intentionally annoy people, but not when there are no harmful intentions.
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Post by zeseryu on May 7, 2020 12:56:29 GMT
are you getting punished for using a voice changer non-maliciously?
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Post by 1cloud_ on May 7, 2020 13:02:13 GMT
I advise clarifying if no means allow voice changers or yes means keep them banned, I have a feeling I voted to unban them but I'm not sure. Strong vouch, if you don't like someone then mute them, it goes without saying and besides Lykhant's voice changer is sexy as fuck have you heard it? It's so fucking beautiful, I have to have at least like, what, 500 MB worth of mp3 recordings of it? It's just so fucking amazing, and if you turn the pitch up it's like one of those anime girl villains with super powers who monologue before destroying the city.
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Post by square on May 7, 2020 13:05:55 GMT
this rule was birthed after a person with a really obnoxious voice changer came into a vc
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Lykhant
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Post by Lykhant on May 7, 2020 13:09:43 GMT
are you getting punished for using a voice changer non-maliciously? Yes. I was server muted multiple times for using a voice changer. In one instance, I was commenting (with a voice changer on) while Elmon played (he also was fine with it), until someone reported me. I was not warned beforehand. The same thing happened with a friendly conversation with other people, who also seemed to not mind.
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Post by lyicx on May 7, 2020 13:11:06 GMT
i dont see the problem if it isn't constant unfunny earrape
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Post by tozzit on May 7, 2020 13:11:36 GMT
this is unfortunate because me and my acquaintances have a strong dislike for voice changers.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 7, 2020 13:22:24 GMT
These are unbelievably annoying usually.
I'd suggest if people can't tell you're using a voice changer then you should be fine, but if it's obvious it's a voice changer, by all means smash that ban hammer.
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Post by fionn on May 7, 2020 13:24:07 GMT
These are unbelievably annoying usually. I'd suggest if people can't tell you're using a voice changer then you should be fine, but if it's obvious it's a voice changer, by all means smash that ban hammer. The voice changer OP uses is a demonic, raspy alien like one
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Post by Wild1145 on May 7, 2020 13:25:12 GMT
These are unbelievably annoying usually. I'd suggest if people can't tell you're using a voice changer then you should be fine, but if it's obvious it's a voice changer, by all means smash that ban hammer. The voice changer OP uses is a demonic, raspy alien like one In which case by all means ban hammer. My vote either way is to ban them, but if you can't tell someones using one, then you'll never get caught
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Lykhant
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Post by Lykhant on May 7, 2020 13:26:22 GMT
These are unbelievably annoying usually. I'd suggest if people can't tell you're using a voice changer then you should be fine, but if it's obvious it's a voice changer, by all means smash that ban hammer. The voice changer OP uses is a demonic, raspy alien like one I have tweaked the settings so it is no longer so hard to the ear.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 7, 2020 19:38:15 GMT
I think the rule would be less controversial if it was formulated as "Voice changers are allowed, but you must change your settings if someone tells you the voice is annoying", because that is what most comments here seem to say.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 8, 2020 13:54:24 GMT
I think the rule would be less controversial if it was formulated as "Voice changers are allowed, but you must change your settings if someone tells you the voice is annoying", because that is what most comments here seem to say. I think you would need a firmer rule, otherwise everyone's going to just say "it's annoying", rules that are very subjective tend to end up being the ones that cause the most controversy. I still think something more like "Voice changers are forbidden, if you feel compelled to use one you should ensure it sounds like a natural voice. Those using voice changers will be asked to stop and may be barred from using voice chats" or something like that, makes it clear voice changers aren't cool, but allows people the chance to use them if they think they can get away with not being caught which feels like a far more sensible line to draw?
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 8, 2020 14:08:29 GMT
I think the rule would be less controversial if it was formulated as "Voice changers are allowed, but you must change your settings if someone tells you the voice is annoying", because that is what most comments here seem to say. I think you would need a firmer rule, otherwise everyone's going to just say "it's annoying", rules that are very subjective tend to end up being the ones that cause the most controversy. I still think something more like "Voice changers are forbidden, if you feel compelled to use one you should ensure it sounds like a natural voice. Those using voice changers will be asked to stop and may be barred from using voice chats" or something like that, makes it clear voice changers aren't cool, but allows people the chance to use them if they think they can get away with not being caught which feels like a far more sensible line to draw? My mistake, it should be "if someone tells you they are annoyed by the voice". Whether a voice changer is annoying is indeed subjective, but whether someone is annoyed by it is not. If someone feels the need to say they are annoyed even though they aren't, there is something else wrong as well.
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Post by Wild1145 on May 8, 2020 14:22:09 GMT
I think you would need a firmer rule, otherwise everyone's going to just say "it's annoying", rules that are very subjective tend to end up being the ones that cause the most controversy. I still think something more like "Voice changers are forbidden, if you feel compelled to use one you should ensure it sounds like a natural voice. Those using voice changers will be asked to stop and may be barred from using voice chats" or something like that, makes it clear voice changers aren't cool, but allows people the chance to use them if they think they can get away with not being caught which feels like a far more sensible line to draw? My mistake, it should be "if someone tells you they are annoyed by the voice". Whether a voice changer is annoying is indeed subjective, but whether someone is annoyed by it is not. If someone feels the need to say they are annoyed even though they aren't, there is something else wrong as well. I guess my point is it'll end up with a "Well so and so said it was fine so why shouldn't I be able to use it"... That's the sort of scenario I'm expecting. Just my 2 cent, I personally think the rules should be written in such a way that isn't subjective to the individual enforcing it where at all possible, I know it's not always practical, but this feels like the sort of thing we could find a wording for that keeps people happy without it being down to everyone's imagination.
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