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Post by fionn on May 5, 2020 18:45:49 GMT
I don't really see why it was removed in the first place.
It was a great addition and allowed for 1.8 pvp
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Post by Telesphoreo on May 5, 2020 18:46:45 GMT
why was it removed?? a bunch of plugins dont work without protocollib such as libsdisguises
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 5, 2020 19:59:37 GMT
why was it removed?? a bunch of plugins dont work without protocollib such as libsdisguises ProtocolLib is still on the server. This thread is about ProtocolSupport, the ViaVersion alternative that breaks a whole bunch of things. |
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Post by Video on May 5, 2020 23:00:25 GMT
Object.
While ProtocolSupport allows for more versions to connect, there was a pretty nasty exploit in it that caused it to be removed. The exploit prevented players from being able to join and existing players would suddenly time out. When ProtocolSupport was replaced with ViaVersion, this issue vanished.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 23:17:10 GMT
Object. Me, Seth, Panther spent ages looking for a way to patch against the exploit. @creeperseth can we have viaversion mayb?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 5, 2020 23:25:54 GMT
Why would anyone want to add really, really terrible hacks to the server?
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Post by Video on May 5, 2020 23:30:40 GMT
Object. Me, Seth, Panther spent ages looking for a way to patch against the exploit. @creeperseth can we have viaversion mayb? We already do.  If you want support for older versions of Minecraft, we'll need to add ViaBackwards. |
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 5, 2020 23:47:34 GMT
Why would anyone want to add really, really terrible hacks to the server? It's just a convenience thing from an OP's point of view. If something breaks, they are not responsible for fixing it. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 5, 2020 23:49:49 GMT
Why would anyone want to add really, really terrible hacks to the server? It's just a convenience thing from an OP's point of view. If something breaks, they are not responsible for fixing it. ProtocolLib is not a "convenience thing" at all from any standpoint except from lazy plugin developers. I remember when it became a thing, it only exists as a hacky workaround as a result of a restriction Bukkit made in 2012. |
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Post by StevenNL2000 on May 5, 2020 23:51:29 GMT
It's just a convenience thing from an OP's point of view. If something breaks, they are not responsible for fixing it. ProtocolLib is not a "convenience thing" at all from any standpoint except from lazy plugin developers. I remember when it became a thing, it only exists as a hacky workaround as a result of a restriction Bukkit made in 2012. ProtocolLib is not the subject of this thread. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on May 5, 2020 23:52:48 GMT
ProtocolLib is not a "convenience thing" at all from any standpoint except from lazy plugin developers. I remember when it became a thing, it only exists as a hacky workaround as a result of a restriction Bukkit made in 2012. ProtocolLib is not the subject of this thread. Your earlier post gaslit me and confused me, regardless that point still stands since apparently it's used. Honestly same point applies to ProtocolSupport too, in fact it's a way, way worse hack which shouldn't be used by anybody on a production server. |
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Post by Telesphoreo on May 6, 2020 0:07:41 GMT
why was it removed?? a bunch of plugins dont work without protocollib such as libsdisguises ProtocolLib is still on the server. This thread is about ProtocolSupport, the ViaVersion alternative that breaks a whole bunch of things. it said protocollib at first i swear to god |
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Post by Telesphoreo on May 6, 2020 0:17:00 GMT
alright so SMP uses ViaVersion, but we use the snapshot versions, not the one from spigot. we use all three via- plugins and havent had any problems or tps drops. actually, there is a tps drop as soon as the server starts, but that goes away (its like as soon as the server starts up, not the player joining). but it could be the other plugins too. we've had no (consistent) tps drops, only increase in memory and CPU (a few hundred MB of ram, granted), but no problems.
at one point, when i was updating viaversion, the jar got corrupted, and i decided "well hey i'll try protocolsupport"
not only did the TPS drop to a consistent 9.87, the CPU and memory were ridiculously high, as bad as citizens (although i fixed that problem)
not only were players timing out, it flat out didn't let some connect.
i wouldn't recommend using protocolsupport. we use the beta snapshots of viaversion (and viabackwards and viarewind) on SMP, but i'm someone who updates the plugins always. i wouldn't use it on TF unless you're gonna actually update viaversion since there are usually updates every day, and all the plugins on TF is hella out of date rn, so yeah.
viaversion (the new 3.0 beta versions) are good, they're a significant step up from the 2.x series on spigot right now. and you can't even use 2.x on 1.15.
i would highly recommend the viaversion snapshots to anyone who is obsessive about updating plugins like me, since it works very well and i've experienced no issues even though it's a snapshot build.
sorry this probably makes no sense i got 0 rem cycles
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Post by blasphemer on May 7, 2020 4:30:11 GMT
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Post by Wild1145 on May 7, 2020 6:30:21 GMT
I don't see why there is an appeal to support anything beyond the current version and maybe 1 previous, but the previous versions should only be supported for a very limited amount of time. We shouldn't be backwards supporting versions forever, even if plugins allow it. There's no reason to do it given it's not like you have to pay as a user to update or anything, it's free for everyone, and generally now the client will automatically push people to the new versions...
Personally don't see the value in this at all.
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