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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 23:06:42 GMT
I'm not pure myself when it comes to this, I have tourettes so sometimes I say the n word without thinking about it, but with some recent events it's clear I can't have the "if it's a joke" or not anymore.
It's such a gray area, even if I and the person saying it know it's a joke, and know that the other person isn't racist, homophobic or transphobic, it's not enough to make it better for anyone offended by it.
For this reason I'm going to have to put down a zero tolerance policy on racial slurs, homophobic slurs, transphobic slurs, and other really offensive things around those areas.
Meaning that any use of these words in public channels on TotalFreedom (not group chats, those are not a part of the server) are prohibited and will result in a suspension.
I really didn't want to do this, but some people can't tell a joke from what isn't a joke. And to stop repeat incidents like those currently happening, I have to do this. Please forgive me.
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Post by Premintex on Apr 11, 2020 23:09:09 GMT
If you look at really any other minecraft forum, this is standard. This is a step in the right direction, even if it steers away from freedom
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Post by Darth on Apr 11, 2020 23:12:07 GMT
A drastic step (for this server anyways) like this takes guts, and I applaud you for it.
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Post by _Windows on Apr 12, 2020 0:00:35 GMT
If you look at really any other minecraft forum, this is standard. This is a step in the right direction, even if it steers away from freedom It does not steer away from freedom. Bigotry steps on the freedom of those it is directed against. It shouldn't be tolerated. Just my opinion.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 12, 2020 7:28:22 GMT
Thank you. Honestly, it is alarming for the state of this community that you feel the need to apologize for doing this.
Slightly more ranty: Unless you are less than 10 years old and have just learned a new bad word or you have a mental disorder, you have no excuse not to be able to contain yourself. Don't tell me you also go "nigger this" "faggot that" in the supermarket or at work. Just like in those places, you are in an open community here. This is not censorship, it is a part of life: if you want to run away from it, you should do so in private.
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Post by miwo on Apr 12, 2020 16:30:34 GMT
Overall,. I do welcome this change. It was never a wise decision to make such a vague exception to a rule, so I thank you for removing it. Thank you. Honestly, it is alarming for the state of this community that you feel the need to apologize for doing this. Slightly more ranty: Unless you are less than 10 years old and have just learned a new bad word or you have a mental disorder, you have no excuse not to be able to contain yourself. Don't tell me you also go "nigger this" "faggot that" in the supermarket or at work. Just like in those places, you are in an open community here. This is not censorship, it is a part of life: if you want to run away from it, you should do so in private. If you look at really any other minecraft forum, this is standard. This is a step in the right direction, even if it steers away from freedom It does not steer away from freedom. Bigotry steps on the freedom of those it is directed against. It shouldn't be tolerated. Just my opinion. Context matters. It is indeed frowned upon to use a racial slur directed at somebody to insult them and using it like the saying “my nigga“. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that this isn’t cenorship, because it is, Censorship: “the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.” But that is not say it is necessarily bad. Politically I am against any manner of “banning” words , since this is a quick way down a slippery slope. The only “exception” I would make is if it’s in the form of harrasment, but here the punishment wouldn’t be because of crude language, but instead harrasment. If I were to pick and choose I would prefer if we were to add a profanity filter to TFM instead of prohibiting the use of certain words. This filter would be the default setting for a new player logging in to Total Freedom, and you would have to manually disable it if you wanted your daily dosis of edgy racial slurs. That way, the only reason why a player would be banned is if the player is harrasing, and not because they used a word that we deem as “evil”
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Post by _Windows on Apr 12, 2020 17:11:49 GMT
miwo I am also against banning specific words. It is how they are used that matters. Actively spreading hatred should not be tolerated regardless of the exact word choice. Likewise, we should not ban non hateful use of a word just because it can be used in such a way.
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Post by Hockey on Apr 12, 2020 17:38:18 GMT
miwo I am also against banning specific words. It is how they are used that matters. Actively spreading hatred should not be tolerated regardless of the exact word choice. Likewise, we should not ban non hateful use of a word just because it can be used in such a way. I remember Obama using the n-word on a podcast in a manner that wasn’t offensive, and people flipped out. Oliver actually made a gif about it that went viral on imgur.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Apr 12, 2020 17:48:45 GMT
Overall,. I do welcome this change. It was never a wise decision to make such a vague exception to a rule, so I thank you for removing it. Thank you. Honestly, it is alarming for the state of this community that you feel the need to apologize for doing this. Slightly more ranty: Unless you are less than 10 years old and have just learned a new bad word or you have a mental disorder, you have no excuse not to be able to contain yourself. Don't tell me you also go "nigger this" "faggot that" in the supermarket or at work. Just like in those places, you are in an open community here. This is not censorship, it is a part of life: if you want to run away from it, you should do so in private. It does not steer away from freedom. Bigotry steps on the freedom of those it is directed against. It shouldn't be tolerated. Just my opinion. Context matters. It is indeed frowned upon to use a racial slur directed at somebody to insult them and using it like the saying “my nigga“. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that this isn’t cenorship, because it is, Censorship: “the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.” But that is not say it is necessarily bad. Politically I am against any manner of “banning” words , since this is a quick way down a slippery slope. The only “exception” I would make is if it’s in the form of harrasment, but here the punishment wouldn’t be because of crude language, but instead harrasment. If I were to pick and choose I would prefer if we were to add a profanity filter to TFM instead of prohibiting the use of certain words. This filter would be the default setting for a new player logging in to Total Freedom, and you would have to manually disable it if you wanted your daily dosis of edgy racial slurs. That way, the only reason why a player would be banned is if the player is harrasing, and not because they used a word that we deem as “evil” But overall My "This is not censorship" was pointed at the comparison with real life: you are not being stopped from using slurs in the supermarket or at work, you are containing yourself. If you can contain yourself there, you can contain yourself here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 14:20:01 GMT
Does this policy also go against EnderNator10's Straight Pride Clan? They have (rarely) used homophobic language and also made a straight pride 'kit'
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Post by Luke on Apr 14, 2020 14:44:32 GMT
Does this policy also go against EnderNator10's Straight Pride Clan? They have (rarely) used homophobic language and also made a straight pride 'kit' Endernator10 is permbanned so it doesn't matter anyway
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Post by tozzit on Apr 14, 2020 14:48:13 GMT
Does this policy also go against EnderNator10's Straight Pride Clan? They have (rarely) used homophobic language and also made a straight pride 'kit' No, reverse the roles and think about it, if it was a trans pride clan it wouldnt get banned so if its a straight pride clan it shouldnt get banned.
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Post by noah on Apr 14, 2020 15:12:10 GMT
maybe when someone says something along these lines ask if someone is sure if they want to say this is in chat, like, type Y to confirm what they said, type anything else for not. If they do say Y and its very offensive, give em a mute. It just gives players a bigger chance to think properly about saying something.
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Post by Squekky on Apr 14, 2020 15:32:26 GMT
me have tourette syndrome too but only motor. i like this decision very much
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Post by elmon on Apr 14, 2020 15:36:28 GMT
Does this policy also go against EnderNator10's Straight Pride Clan? They have (rarely) used homophobic language and also made a straight pride 'kit' No, reverse the roles and think about it, if it was a trans pride clan it wouldnt get banned so if its a straight pride clan it shouldnt get banned. "straight pride" is a protest to gay pride, in principle nothing is wrong with it but nobody would be going around saying "straight pride" if gay pride wasn't a thing.
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