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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 0:01:52 GMT
typing this on phone weeee - nobody gives a shit if it’s rgb or not - nobody gives a shit if it’s black (non black models btww), easy keycap removal and backplate removal so easy cleaning either way - nobody gives a shit if it’s not made in america - nobody gives a shit if it’s not ps/2, nkro artificially using multiple keyboards is much better nowadays - you missed the entire point on how buckling springs are not great for FPS gaming due to heavy force required to activate a key and it being membrane so 2kro excluding modifier keys. - lmao you’re telling me that a £60-£80 ducky keyboard is overpriced and a few hundred pound model m isn’t? threadrippers are much much better than xeons and that is non debatable i5s are going to last the same as ryzen 5s my guy, it depends on how the user uses it and if they need to upgrade or not. I was giving an example of one of the more recent i5s again, 1050s and 1660s are great but we’re talking about 2060s to 2070 supers and it’s not going to cut it I really don’t understand how you can’t accept personal preferences because you want to shill ibm or Intel. seriously, calm down Kind of just "nobody gives a shit"ting all the completely valid points but alright, suddenly nobody cares about RGB which differs from your previous position. I agree that nobody gives a shit if it's not made in America but that's kind of a moral failure at that point to not care at all. Also shouldn't have to remove keycaps or the backplate to keep it clean and you exaggerate the "heavy force". Also I was using whatever American prices I saw which are different from yours. "threadrippers are much much better than xeons and that is non debatable" is complete B.S., server industry uses Xeon for a reason and they also make fantastic workstations. I don't even think AMD themselves market them in such a way, probably because of Epyc. Misunderstood my point, I wasn't referring to durability I was referring to relevance, an old i5 has been around for years and will continue to be relevant, whereas a Ryzen 5 will be easily forgotten. You keep framing it as an "I can't accept personal preferences" but I really don't care about what the hell you buy, but if anybody is going to show off a build on a thread then that's the perfect opportunity for criticism. It's almost like you can criticize somebody's preferences without thinking that it should be illegal for them to have them? nobody gives a shit because they aren’t valid points: not being black doesn’t mean you can’t clean (still non black models) and not once did I support rgb, I support people if they like it. don’t like rgb? turn the rgb off or just not buy a model with rgb. just because it’s not made in America doesn’t mean it’s a moral failure. I don’t go around not buying products because it’s Chinese made or japanese made unless it’s actually serious: ducky and Corsair have not participated in large slavery sweatshops to my knowledge. “shouldn’t remove backplate or keycaps to keep it clean” how the fuck you make a model m keep clean then? Does it magically wash all of the insides or somethin? saying it’s bs is baseless. Come up to me with a few reliable sources of data comparing the thread ripper 3990x to a Xeon and a Xeon winning in workstations and epyc is a different story. sure, i5s have been here in good standing but in no way will ryzen 5s be forgotten. ryzen 5s are the cores for most modern budget builds and will be so until other options are available. it’s not you where you criticise people but where you say that the model m is the best for everything when it’s clearly not for other purposes that I have detailed. yes I exaggerate heavy force because the difference between cherry blues/membrane/spring keyboards and speed/red switches is vast in gameplay, believe it or not.
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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 0:02:57 GMT
There is one cool thing about a Model M, though: If someone breaks into your house while you're on your computer, you can use the keyboard to whack them in the head. It's part of the classic IBM quality, if I whack somebody on the head with a crappy Duck or a Razor then it will just fall apart immediately. The Model M is a battleship of creative engineering and American craftsmanship. where’s your proof that it’ll fall apart? duckies are actually high quality - full metal and so on
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 0:14:13 GMT
Kind of just "nobody gives a shit"ting all the completely valid points but alright, suddenly nobody cares about RGB which differs from your previous position. I agree that nobody gives a shit if it's not made in America but that's kind of a moral failure at that point to not care at all. Also shouldn't have to remove keycaps or the backplate to keep it clean and you exaggerate the "heavy force". Also I was using whatever American prices I saw which are different from yours. "threadrippers are much much better than xeons and that is non debatable" is complete B.S., server industry uses Xeon for a reason and they also make fantastic workstations. I don't even think AMD themselves market them in such a way, probably because of Epyc. Misunderstood my point, I wasn't referring to durability I was referring to relevance, an old i5 has been around for years and will continue to be relevant, whereas a Ryzen 5 will be easily forgotten. You keep framing it as an "I can't accept personal preferences" but I really don't care about what the hell you buy, but if anybody is going to show off a build on a thread then that's the perfect opportunity for criticism. It's almost like you can criticize somebody's preferences without thinking that it should be illegal for them to have them? nobody gives a shit because they aren’t valid points: not being black doesn’t mean you can’t clean (still non black models) and not once did I support rgb, I support people if they like it. don’t like rgb? turn the rgb off or just not buy a model with rgb. just because it’s not made in America doesn’t mean it’s a moral failure. I don’t go around not buying products because it’s Chinese made or japanese made unless it’s actually serious: ducky and Corsair have not participated in large slavery sweatshops to my knowledge. “shouldn’t remove backplate or keycaps to keep it clean” how the fuck you clean a model m then? Does it magically wash all of the insides or somethin? saying it’s bs is baseless. Come up to me with a few reliable sources of data comparing the thread ripper 3990x to a Xeon and a Xeon winning in workstations and epyc is a different story. sure, i5s have been here in good standing but in no way will ryzen 5s be forgotten. ryzen 5s are the cores for most modern budget builds and will be so until other options are available. it’s not you where you criticise people but where you say that the model m is the best for everything when it’s clearly not for other purposes that I have detailed. yes I exaggerate heavy force because the difference between cherry blues/membrane/spring keyboards and speed/red switches is vast in gameplay, believe it or not. It is absolutely a valid point, black models objectively highlight dust and hairs that beige models don't, and I'm sure it is in some people's preference that they don't want that. I support American made products as somebody who supports American workers, but that's beside the point, the actual problem is the offshoring overseas because of the support of hostile foreign countries and horrific labor conditions. Just saying that I'd take the IBM keyboard built in Kentucky by an American worker than the RGB keyboard built in Taiwan, it is one of many reasons in IBM's favor. 1. Physically doesn't look dirty simply because of the color. 2. Because of the mechanism there is a process to clean it properly, except you shouldn't have to do that if maintained correctly, dirt shouldn't be able to get inside of the mechanism. Other than that for cleaning it's the same as any other keyboard, it's just that it's better because the color doesn't physically make it look as dirty as black and RGB. My point was that the actual server industry has gone with Xeon for decades and still does, the Threadripper is not used in the server industry, in fact AMD doesn't even market it to the server industry because of Epyc. I don't think that entire industry would stick with something that was so objectively inferior. I was referring to the future when AMD comes out with later generations and everybody forgets the Ryzen 5 existed, whereas Intel has had many generations and yet their older generation i5s are still sold and marketed with perfection. The only clear case you've presented against the Model M is in the case of gaming, and I don't see the big deal. People that use Model Ms type faster on them than any other keyboard, why would they be unable to type fast enough in a game?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 0:15:41 GMT
It's part of the classic IBM quality, if I whack somebody on the head with a crappy Duck or a Razor then it will just fall apart immediately. The Model M is a battleship of creative engineering and American craftsmanship. where’s your proof that it’ll fall apart? duckies are actually high quality - full metal and so on I don't, it was a joke although 95% of keyboards on the market will certainly break when you whack them around (metal is no exception to breaking), Model M can be thrown onto concrete and survive.
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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 0:16:13 GMT
where’s your proof that it’ll fall apart? duckies are actually high quality - full metal and so on I don't, it was a joke although 95% of keyboards on the market will certainly break when you whack them around (metal is no exception to breaking), Model M can be thrown onto concrete and survive. and a ducky can’t? yes, most Razer and cheap brands will instantly shatter once you touch it but I fail to see why a well made keyboard would break, like the model m and most if not all ducky products
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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 0:28:16 GMT
nobody gives a shit because they aren’t valid points: not being black doesn’t mean you can’t clean (still non black models) and not once did I support rgb, I support people if they like it. don’t like rgb? turn the rgb off or just not buy a model with rgb. just because it’s not made in America doesn’t mean it’s a moral failure. I don’t go around not buying products because it’s Chinese made or japanese made unless it’s actually serious: ducky and Corsair have not participated in large slavery sweatshops to my knowledge. “shouldn’t remove backplate or keycaps to keep it clean” how the fuck you clean a model m then? Does it magically wash all of the insides or somethin? saying it’s bs is baseless. Come up to me with a few reliable sources of data comparing the thread ripper 3990x to a Xeon and a Xeon winning in workstations and epyc is a different story. sure, i5s have been here in good standing but in no way will ryzen 5s be forgotten. ryzen 5s are the cores for most modern budget builds and will be so until other options are available. it’s not you where you criticise people but where you say that the model m is the best for everything when it’s clearly not for other purposes that I have detailed. yes I exaggerate heavy force because the difference between cherry blues/membrane/spring keyboards and speed/red switches is vast in gameplay, believe it or not. It is absolutely a valid point, black models objectively highlight dust and hairs that beige models don't, and I'm sure it is in some people's preference that they don't want that. I support American made products as somebody who supports American workers, but that's beside the point, the actual problem is the offshoring overseas because of the support of hostile foreign countries and horrific labor conditions. Just saying that I'd take the IBM keyboard built in Kentucky by an American worker than the RGB keyboard built in Taiwan, it is one of many reasons in IBM's favor. 1. Physically doesn't look dirty simply because of the color. 2. Because of the mechanism there is a process to clean it properly, except you shouldn't have to do that if maintained correctly, dirt shouldn't be able to get inside of the mechanism. Other than that for cleaning it's the same as any other keyboard, it's just that it's better because the color doesn't physically make it look as dirty as black and RGB. My point was that the actual server industry has gone with Xeon for decades and still does, the Threadripper is not used in the server industry, in fact AMD doesn't even market it to the server industry because of Epyc. I don't think that entire industry would stick with something that was so objectively inferior. I was referring to the future when AMD comes out with later generations and everybody forgets the Ryzen 5 existed, whereas Intel has had many generations and yet their older generation i5s are still sold and marketed with perfection. The only clear case you've presented against the Model M is in the case of gaming, and I don't see the big deal. People that use Model Ms type faster on them than any other keyboard, why would they be unable to type fast enough in a game? first, gaming isn’t just about typing. mechanisms like buckling springs or responsiveness can severely limit how you perform if you perform seriously - especially on games like osu where you’re forced to move the entire key which despite sounding alright gets quite in the way. If you support American made products, you do you however we can’t do much about Chinese slavery and I wouldn’t mind a Chinese product unless slavery is actually present. With some keyboards, keys are above the plate which is much easier to clean than keys below the plate. While both are going to get dust and dirt inside them, the above plate variant is going to be cleaned easier. Pick and choose what you want i suppose. People use Xeon because of its features such as its ability to run 24/7 all the time, ecc and other server purposes. I’m comparing the two in a workstation build where the threadripper is more used and is objectively better. Ryzen 5/7/9 will not be forgotten as it’s AMD’s system of doing core and thread counts like intel’s i5, i7 and i9. People use ryzen 5 1600s like they do with i5 2400s or something. Older amd products are still being sold, too, however the fact that people are buying more modern CPUs prove that it’s actually getting better again, preference: time, space, noise, money.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 1:17:42 GMT
It is absolutely a valid point, black models objectively highlight dust and hairs that beige models don't, and I'm sure it is in some people's preference that they don't want that. I support American made products as somebody who supports American workers, but that's beside the point, the actual problem is the offshoring overseas because of the support of hostile foreign countries and horrific labor conditions. Just saying that I'd take the IBM keyboard built in Kentucky by an American worker than the RGB keyboard built in Taiwan, it is one of many reasons in IBM's favor. 1. Physically doesn't look dirty simply because of the color. 2. Because of the mechanism there is a process to clean it properly, except you shouldn't have to do that if maintained correctly, dirt shouldn't be able to get inside of the mechanism. Other than that for cleaning it's the same as any other keyboard, it's just that it's better because the color doesn't physically make it look as dirty as black and RGB. My point was that the actual server industry has gone with Xeon for decades and still does, the Threadripper is not used in the server industry, in fact AMD doesn't even market it to the server industry because of Epyc. I don't think that entire industry would stick with something that was so objectively inferior. I was referring to the future when AMD comes out with later generations and everybody forgets the Ryzen 5 existed, whereas Intel has had many generations and yet their older generation i5s are still sold and marketed with perfection. The only clear case you've presented against the Model M is in the case of gaming, and I don't see the big deal. People that use Model Ms type faster on them than any other keyboard, why would they be unable to type fast enough in a game? first, gaming isn’t just about typing. mechanisms like buckling springs or responsiveness can severely limit how you perform if you perform seriously - especially on games like osu where you’re forced to move the entire key which despite sounding alright gets quite in the way. If you support American made products, you do you however we can’t do much about Chinese slavery and I wouldn’t mind a Chinese product unless slavery is actually present. With some keyboards, keys are above the plate which is much easier to clean than keys below the plate. While both are going to get dust and dirt inside them, the above plate variant is going to be cleaned easier. Pick and choose what you want i suppose. People use Xeon because of its features such as its ability to run 24/7 all the time, ecc and other server purposes. I’m comparing the two in a workstation build where the threadripper is more used and is objectively better. Ryzen 5/7/9 will not be forgotten as it’s AMD’s system of doing core and thread counts like intel’s i5, i7 and i9. People use ryzen 5 1600s like they do with i5 2400s or something. Older amd products are still being sold, too, however the fact that people are buying more modern CPUs prove that it’s actually getting better again, preference: time, space, noise, money. IBM Windows keys don't have the buckling springs. You're forgetting that there are different types of Xeon which are targeted to different activities, server CPUs may not always be the same as workstation CPUs. One type of Xeon may beat out the Threadripper while one type may not, there are significant differences. Point is that a lot of computers being sold still will use an older NVIDIA and/or an older Intel. In the case of AMD, it's all about whatever the current generation is, a generation is irrelevant as soon as it is relevant. The fact that Intel's older CPUs are still doing that well shows that "future proofing" in the CPU world is irrelevant, the complete lack of innovation makes an old i5 just as realistically viable for marketing than an objectively superior latest generation i5. AMD kind of exits from this reality completely with their pushing out the latest generation of CPUs only for them to be trash later on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 2:43:33 GMT
I don't know if I'm late to the party, but the IBM model M keyboard is too damn loud, Wilee. I had a model M about 5 years back, and got rid of it because it kept both of my roommates up at odd hours in the night. The buckling spring mechanism, and the vintage style, is good for old-timer PC geeks who live alone, are hyper-obsessed with quality, and couldn't care less about style. I've had a logitech G5 pro keyboard ever since, with as many lights as damn times square... And it hasn't failed me once. Resume CPU discussion :pensive:. when 80s keyboards have every modern keyboard beat when it comes to style, the beige color is a lot more creative than just black with obnoxious lights (because those definitely don't keep anybody up "at odd hours in the night") I want me some RGB lights that keep you up when you have your eyes closed trying to sleep. The beige really compliments my grandma's panties. Yes, wilee, yes! Victoria's Secret "Model" M
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 3:17:22 GMT
when 80s keyboards have every modern keyboard beat when it comes to style, the beige color is a lot more creative than just black with obnoxious lights (because those definitely don't keep anybody up "at odd hours in the night") I want me some RGB lights that keep you up when you have your eyes closed trying to sleep. The beige really compliments my grandma's panties. Yes, wilee, yes! Victoria's Secret "Model" MStop hornyposting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 3:30:43 GMT
I want me some RGB lights that keep you up when you have your eyes closed trying to sleep. The beige really compliments my grandma's panties. Yes, wilee, yes! Victoria's Secret "Model" MStop hornyposting. This quarantine man. O.o
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Post by prince on Mar 31, 2020 3:33:10 GMT
wilee when he sees rgb lights:
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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 10:57:49 GMT
first, gaming isn’t just about typing. mechanisms like buckling springs or responsiveness can severely limit how you perform if you perform seriously - especially on games like osu where you’re forced to move the entire key which despite sounding alright gets quite in the way. If you support American made products, you do you however we can’t do much about Chinese slavery and I wouldn’t mind a Chinese product unless slavery is actually present. With some keyboards, keys are above the plate which is much easier to clean than keys below the plate. While both are going to get dust and dirt inside them, the above plate variant is going to be cleaned easier. Pick and choose what you want i suppose. People use Xeon because of its features such as its ability to run 24/7 all the time, ecc and other server purposes. I’m comparing the two in a workstation build where the threadripper is more used and is objectively better. Ryzen 5/7/9 will not be forgotten as it’s AMD’s system of doing core and thread counts like intel’s i5, i7 and i9. People use ryzen 5 1600s like they do with i5 2400s or something. Older amd products are still being sold, too, however the fact that people are buying more modern CPUs prove that it’s actually getting better again, preference: time, space, noise, money. IBM Windows keys don't have the buckling springs. You're forgetting that there are different types of Xeon which are targeted to different activities, server CPUs may not always be the same as workstation CPUs. One type of Xeon may beat out the Threadripper while one type may not, there are significant differences. Point is that a lot of computers being sold still will use an older NVIDIA and/or an older Intel. In the case of AMD, it's all about whatever the current generation is, a generation is irrelevant as soon as it is relevant. The fact that Intel's older CPUs are still doing that well shows that "future proofing" in the CPU world is irrelevant, the complete lack of innovation makes an old i5 just as realistically viable for marketing than an objectively superior latest generation i5. AMD kind of exits from this reality completely with their pushing out the latest generation of CPUs only for them to be trash later on. okay? are they all linear or tactile? let's say the xeon platinum 8280 vs the threadripper 3990x: the threadripper wins in every test given (check benchmarks on google) let's say the xeon gold 6130 vs the threadripper 3990 or even 2990x: the threadripper wins in every test given give me one xeon or intel core that wins against the threadripper 3990x or below in a workstation again, you're saying this but it's not true. amd is still selling 1600/2600/1700/2700s and so on, even including the budget options. and again, you're missing my point that "individual future proofing" is leaving power for the user for a couple years and i think amd does that just fine.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 15:49:46 GMT
IBM Windows keys don't have the buckling springs. You're forgetting that there are different types of Xeon which are targeted to different activities, server CPUs may not always be the same as workstation CPUs. One type of Xeon may beat out the Threadripper while one type may not, there are significant differences. Point is that a lot of computers being sold still will use an older NVIDIA and/or an older Intel. In the case of AMD, it's all about whatever the current generation is, a generation is irrelevant as soon as it is relevant. The fact that Intel's older CPUs are still doing that well shows that "future proofing" in the CPU world is irrelevant, the complete lack of innovation makes an old i5 just as realistically viable for marketing than an objectively superior latest generation i5. AMD kind of exits from this reality completely with their pushing out the latest generation of CPUs only for them to be trash later on. okay? are they all linear or tactile? let's say the xeon platinum 8280 vs the threadripper 3990x: the threadripper wins in every test given (check benchmarks on google) let's say the xeon gold 6130 vs the threadripper 3990 or even 2990x: the threadripper wins in every test given give me one xeon or intel core that wins against the threadripper 3990x or below in a workstation again, you're saying this but it's not true. amd is still selling 1600/2600/1700/2700s and so on, even including the budget options. and again, you're missing my point that "individual future proofing" is leaving power for the user for a couple years and i think amd does that just fine. IBM Windows is linear I believe. Not sure what you're looking at, Threadripper 3990x only leads in benchmarks under circumstances in which hyperthreading is in play, otherwise Xeon and even some Core CPUs have that lead. Threadripper is better than Intel's CPUs under circumstances in which every core is utilized perfectly, which are not normal conditions with how software is. Under *normal* conditions, a Xeon is actually preferable for both workstations and servers. Not sure what "leaving power for the user for a couple years" means. Yes, AMD is still selling older CPUs, but not in the same way that Intel and other computer companies are. You can go find a ton of computers right now selling computers using like seventh generation CPUs, and yes they work well because those CPUs last a long ass time and are fast enough for basically anything. What it shows you is that consumers don't actually need the latest generation of Intel CPUs when the old ones are still perfectly viable if the computer companies like Dell haven't even gotten to other generations yet. AMD, meanwhile, has to market their latest generation to be able to make their revenue.
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Post by square on Mar 31, 2020 16:13:22 GMT
okay? are they all linear or tactile? let's say the xeon platinum 8280 vs the threadripper 3990x: the threadripper wins in every test given (check benchmarks on google) let's say the xeon gold 6130 vs the threadripper 3990 or even 2990x: the threadripper wins in every test given give me one xeon or intel core that wins against the threadripper 3990x or below in a workstation again, you're saying this but it's not true. amd is still selling 1600/2600/1700/2700s and so on, even including the budget options. and again, you're missing my point that "individual future proofing" is leaving power for the user for a couple years and i think amd does that just fine. IBM Windows is linear I believe. Not sure what you're looking at, Threadripper 3990x only leads in benchmarks under circumstances in which hyperthreading is in play, otherwise Xeon and even some Core CPUs have that lead. Threadripper is better than Intel's CPUs under circumstances in which every core is utilized perfectly, which are not normal conditions with how software is. Under *normal* conditions, a Xeon is actually preferable for both workstations and servers. Not sure what "leaving power for the user for a couple years" means. Yes, AMD is still selling older CPUs, but not in the same way that Intel and other computer companies are. You can go find a ton of computers right now selling computers using like seventh generation CPUs, and yes they work well because those CPUs last a long ass time and are fast enough for basically anything. What it shows you is that consumers don't actually need the latest generation of Intel CPUs when the old ones are still perfectly viable if the computer companies like Dell haven't even gotten to other generations yet. AMD, meanwhile, has to market their latest generation to be able to make their revenue. "Threadripper 3990x only leads in benchmarks under circumstances in which hyperthreading is in play" it's better than the xeon platinum 8280 in single core usage and no, it's not just "when every core is utilized perfectly" as it can be seen from pratical uses such as blender or video editing. not sure what you're talking about with "normal conditions" either. video editing and blender applications will use all cores perfectly fine which is the main reason people buy high end cpus. still haven't actually given me a xeon or intel core that beats the newest threadripper. i don't understand your point on how this makes amd inferior to intel: "amd is not selling older cpus more than intel". the individual consumer is not going to care about that as the supply is still the same as it was a year ago. "ton of computers right now selling computers using like seventh generation CPUs," again, i don't see your point - you keep bringing up how just because they use it it means it's better for everybody else. they use it because the laptop company can probably bulk buy intel more easily and so on. "and yes they work well because those CPUs last a long ass time" this goes for amd as well "AMD, meanwhile, has to market their latest generation to be able to make their revenue" and? how does this affect me or the consumer in any way?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Mar 31, 2020 17:16:49 GMT
IBM Windows is linear I believe. Not sure what you're looking at, Threadripper 3990x only leads in benchmarks under circumstances in which hyperthreading is in play, otherwise Xeon and even some Core CPUs have that lead. Threadripper is better than Intel's CPUs under circumstances in which every core is utilized perfectly, which are not normal conditions with how software is. Under *normal* conditions, a Xeon is actually preferable for both workstations and servers. Not sure what "leaving power for the user for a couple years" means. Yes, AMD is still selling older CPUs, but not in the same way that Intel and other computer companies are. You can go find a ton of computers right now selling computers using like seventh generation CPUs, and yes they work well because those CPUs last a long ass time and are fast enough for basically anything. What it shows you is that consumers don't actually need the latest generation of Intel CPUs when the old ones are still perfectly viable if the computer companies like Dell haven't even gotten to other generations yet. AMD, meanwhile, has to market their latest generation to be able to make their revenue. "Threadripper 3990x only leads in benchmarks under circumstances in which hyperthreading is in play" it's better than the xeon platinum 8280 in single core usage and no, it's not just "when every core is utilized perfectly" as it can be seen from pratical uses such as blender or video editing. not sure what you're talking about with "normal conditions" either. video editing and blender applications will use all cores perfectly fine which is the main reason people buy high end cpus. still haven't actually given me a xeon or intel core that beats the newest threadripper. i don't understand your point on how this makes amd inferior to intel: "amd is not selling older cpus more than intel". the individual consumer is not going to care about that as the supply is still the same as it was a year ago. "ton of computers right now selling computers using like seventh generation CPUs," again, i don't see your point - you keep bringing up how just because they use it it means it's better for everybody else. they use it because the laptop company can probably bulk buy intel more easily and so on. "and yes they work well because those CPUs last a long ass time" this goes for amd as well "AMD, meanwhile, has to market their latest generation to be able to make their revenue" and? how does this affect me or the consumer in any way? There is a difference between value and performance. Threadripper 3990X has performance, yes, but poor value. Just because it has 64 cores doesn't mean that it's going to suddenly run every application and operating system faster, that is not how it works, you're throwing out $4k so that you can run 3D modeling and rendering software faster than any Xeon can. Yes, in that sense it beats out every Xeon, but that's shit value even for a workstation. You can spend way less money on a Xeon and still have the capability to do those things at reasonable performance and have the excellent single-threaded performance that Intel has. My point is, there is a use case for the Threadripper 3990X, but it's not the same as the use case for a Xeon and that actually hurts AMD because they're going with the strategy of just having as many cores as possible, except because there is no such thing as linear scalability with the vast majority of software and Windows 10. Basically: Threadripper 3990X: - Not good for networking/server infrastructure - 64 cores is good for applications designed on linear scalability such as 3D modeling and rendering - Costs about $4000 Xeon: - Utilized by the server and networking industry for infrastructure, perfect for that - Costs up to $3000 - Great performance for 3D modeling and rendering, just not as much as the Threadripper 3990X - Single-threaded performance makes everything run better - Better value than the Threadripper 3990X simply because of how general purpose it is, it's a good workstation for everything, not just the type of applications that a Threadripper 3990X is great for Epyc: - Costs up to $1000 - Better for networking/server infrastructure, not a good workstation - Doesn't have the type of power either the Threadripper or Xeon has - Fails at tapping into the Xeon market So really, the Xeon is still the best for value. My point was that Intel brings in more revenue through their old CPUs being just as marketable as their new ones, whereas if you go into the past AMD's CPUs were fucking horrible.
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