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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 2:35:32 GMT
I litteraly started playing yesterday and laready have an elytra i dont think that its going to be hard foir ops to catch up. also The world is endless if ops wana play its not like th e world is crammed down and theres barely anyroom to settle in. I thnk it should be delayed untill later maybe a month or 2-3
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 4:15:50 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this.
Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*.
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Post by XenVoltz on Feb 22, 2020 8:07:08 GMT
I agree with zevante. Create schematics of builds and spawn them in after the reset. If the server is opening to the public, then it’d only be fair to level the playing field. It’s that or give the new players stuff, but that doesn’t seem as fun or fair since players who had early access actually worked for their items whereas, new players will simply just be given them.
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Post by square on Feb 22, 2020 12:34:42 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. people are arguing because we were given a server to play in which was admin only (not sure if ivan actually planned this to be op only at the beginning but i assume not as it's a sequel to previous admin servers) and it was reset for the public without the admin opinion if it's going to get reset (as mattlawn said) can we reset it soon? nobody is playing currently because of the current arguments and if we were to play there'd still be a chance of reset. i have argued in this drama however imo it's stupid: it's unfair for the admins who didn't know but more unfair to the ops who join recently. |
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Post by mattlawn on Feb 22, 2020 13:45:57 GMT
I just want an answer so I know I should keep working on a build or not
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 14:53:20 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. So you are saying we should just wipe everything just because the admins/masterbuilders have had a couple of days worth of a head start? Like I said in the thread above I have played 2 days and already have 2 elytras a bunch of stuff and half a stack of diamonds litteraly in just 2 days it's not going to be that hard for the ops to get stuff. Besides, how many admins have actually been tryharding this? Tbh I doubt the ops even care if anything it's good for them as we have already gone to the end gotten stuff and now all they have to do is trade with us and boom we r even. |
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Post by square on Feb 22, 2020 15:34:10 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. So you are saying we should just wipe everything just because the admins/masterbuilders have had a couple of days worth of a head start? Like I said in the thread above I have played 2 days and already have 2 elytras a bunch of stuff and half a stack of diamonds litteraly in just 2 days it's not going to be that hard for the ops to get stuff. Besides, how many admins have actually been tryharding this? Tbh I doubt the ops even care if anything it's good for them as we have already gone to the end gotten stuff and now all they have to do is trade with us and boom we r even. if we don't reset and make it public, admins will be dominant over the ops due to our mass amounts of materials compared to them. especially so economically - we're very rich - and so we won't be needing things from the ops because we already have the farms and needs to do so causing the rich admins to buy mass amounts of items from each other and leave the ops with nothing - trickle down economics because we all love that. the reset just makes everything more fair imo and even though it's annoying because your builds got destroyed, it'll create a MUCH better economy and society in general which is why i went to this server (not just for the riches) |
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Post by miwo on Feb 22, 2020 16:28:24 GMT
I don't see why you guys can't just compromise and save schematics of your buildings and delete inventories while ensuring no abusive admin stashes a supply of wealth in a chest somewhere. When server gets wiped, paste schematics and boom you have your home. It's ridiculous to think it's fair for admins to hoard precious items like diamonds or enchanted goods while other players start the game disadvantaged; with nothing. Why do you differentiate between schematics and inventory? If I were to have made a farm or a base that would put me in a favoured position compared to a completely new player, despite my inventory saying "0 items". Delete everything and start over, or don't delete anything and don't make the server public to ops. Either or. Excuse me if I misunderstood your point. Also hi Zev |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 23:00:46 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. people are arguing because we were given a server to play in which was admin only (not sure if ivan actually planned this to be op only at the beginning but i assume not as it's a sequel to previous admin servers) and it was reset for the public without the admin opinion if it's going to get reset (as mattlawn said) can we reset it soon? nobody is playing currently because of the current arguments and if we were to play there'd still be a chance of reset. i have argued in this drama however imo it's stupid: it's unfair for the admins who didn't know but more unfair to the ops who join recently. Boohoo. Why would we make an entire SMP server for admins? Save your stuff like everybody else with schematics. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 23:01:43 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. So you are saying we should just wipe everything just because the admins/masterbuilders have had a couple of days worth of a head start? Like I said in the thread above I have played 2 days and already have 2 elytras a bunch of stuff and half a stack of diamonds litteraly in just 2 days it's not going to be that hard for the ops to get stuff. Besides, how many admins have actually been tryharding this? Tbh I doubt the ops even care if anything it's good for them as we have already gone to the end gotten stuff and now all they have to do is trade with us and boom we r even. Equal playing field means equal playing field. Not sure why we're all of a sudden moving the goalpost on that to "ah, the admins have already made it to the end and got everything, so the ops won't care". |
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Post by square on Feb 22, 2020 23:49:42 GMT
people are arguing because we were given a server to play in which was admin only (not sure if ivan actually planned this to be op only at the beginning but i assume not as it's a sequel to previous admin servers) and it was reset for the public without the admin opinion if it's going to get reset (as mattlawn said) can we reset it soon? nobody is playing currently because of the current arguments and if we were to play there'd still be a chance of reset. i have argued in this drama however imo it's stupid: it's unfair for the admins who didn't know but more unfair to the ops who join recently. Boohoo. Why would we make an entire SMP server for admins? Save your stuff like everybody else with schematics. i wasn't complaining about my builds? the reason we made an smp for admins is because we have made a smp server twice before ((admin only)) as it's a closer knit community. boohoo |
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Post by mibbzz on Feb 23, 2020 0:21:21 GMT
It's strange to me. Everybody wanted an SMP server, it would be an equal playing ground for both admins and players. Now, we all agree that the admins should actually have that advantage over the players? I don't get how we're going to be attracting more players to the TF server or the SMP server if this is how we're going to be respecting players. We wanted an SMP server on equal playing grounds, so don't give admins an advantage. This should be a universal consensus and it's actually appalling to me to see admins on this server disregarding this. Where are all of the people championing "progress" on the expansion of TF to speak out against this? We aren't going to expand the TF server or this server if we're going to make a mockery of our own fucking community. This *should not be a discussion*. So you are saying we should just wipe everything just because the admins/masterbuilders have had a couple of days worth of a head start? Like I said in the thread above I have played 2 days and already have 2 elytras a bunch of stuff and half a stack of diamonds litteraly in just 2 days it's not going to be that hard for the ops to get stuff. Besides, how many admins have actually been tryharding this? Tbh I doubt the ops even care if anything it's good for them as we have already gone to the end gotten stuff and now all they have to do is trade with us and boom we r even. You're absolutely correct, it's not going to be hard. So everyone should have that same level playing ground. It's not hard to get to where you are, so everyone should be able to get there shortly. I also disagree with bringing forward schematics. Fresh start should be fresh. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 23, 2020 0:26:05 GMT
Boohoo. Why would we make an entire SMP server for admins? Save your stuff like everybody else with schematics. i wasn't complaining about my builds? the reason we made an smp for admins is because we have made a smp server twice before ((admin only)) as it's a closer knit community. boohoo This community encompasses more than who happens to be an admin. If we're making an SMP server in which everybody is on an equal playing ground, then admins do not get a "head start" at all, that's not how an equal playing ground works. There really aren't any excuses, the original plan that was agreed to is that it would be open to everybody. I don't see how people can simultaneously want this community to grow & expand but also want the players of this community to be treated like second class citizens. Sorry, but that's not how this works. |
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Post by mattlawn on Feb 23, 2020 0:31:14 GMT
i wasn't complaining about my builds? the reason we made an smp for admins is because we have made a smp server twice before ((admin only)) as it's a closer knit community. boohoo This community encompasses more than who happens to be an admin. If we're making an SMP server in which everybody is on an equal playing ground, then admins do not get a "head start" at all, that's not how an equal playing ground works. There really aren't any excuses, the original plan that was agreed to is that it would be open to everybody. I don't see how people can simultaneously want this community to grow & expand but also want the players of this community to be treated like second class citizens. Sorry, but that's not how this works. you never even join so you would not even know whats going on |
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Post by square on Feb 23, 2020 0:35:56 GMT
i wasn't complaining about my builds? the reason we made an smp for admins is because we have made a smp server twice before ((admin only)) as it's a closer knit community. boohoo This community encompasses more than who happens to be an admin. If we're making an SMP server in which everybody is on an equal playing ground, then admins do not get a "head start" at all, that's not how an equal playing ground works. There really aren't any excuses, the original plan that was agreed to is that it would be open to everybody. I don't see how people can simultaneously want this community to grow & expand but also want the players of this community to be treated like second class citizens. Sorry, but that's not how this works. have you read anything i said? i'm also trying to agree with you but okay i guess lmao ("Why would we make an entire SMP server for admins?" >the reason we made an smp for admins is because we have made a smp server twice before ((admin only)) as it's a closer knit community "This community encompasses more than who happens to be an admin. If we're making an SMP server in which everybody is on an equal playing ground, then admins do not get a "head start" at all, that's not how an equal playing ground works. ") "the original plan that was agreed to is that it would be open to everybody" - who said this? "then admins do not get a "head start" at all, that's not how an equal playing ground works" unrelated, did not bring up head starts i'm not talking about anything nor making excuses? i'm just answering a question you asked and then you link it to something extraneous about ops being treated wrong - i'm impressed. but you argue for the sake of arguing due to you never being on the server nor being an actual person willing to join the server |
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