zeseryu
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Post by zeseryu on Feb 21, 2020 21:00:53 GMT
you do know that is generally how survival is run right? in all the survival servers I've played on all of them eventually have a wipe. You're also forgetting to mention the reward you'll receive and also the fact that survival was dead > eventually yeah, after several months, maybe even years, the SMP hasn't been open all that long and thus "other servers do it" doesnt particularly justify it, especially when its been restricted to certain players/admins meaning the map isn't too messed up like it would be on another server ironically i cant actually vote (technically i can) but i feel bad doing it because i never join Yes but eventually there will be a wipe, regardless of time. Square & co are complaining because it was done with little warning & they would lose all their work. Is that not exactly what a wipe does in the future aswell?
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Post by SupItsDillon on Feb 21, 2020 21:01:08 GMT
i do realise the wipe will give us more players and i don't personally mind about the wipe but for ivan (a person who doesn't personally play the smp much actually) to suddenly open it to the public + wipe without previous warning (which is how usual survival servers wipe, i've played many) is infuriating to most people who's actually spent time on it (don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings, as he did it during the time people were actually building) what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it? survival is usually ran: - nobody is creative (not throwing shade) - it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand - usually whitelisted - they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? - don't have safeguards such as: warps, tp (i don't mind warps/tps), keepinv (literally no scare to dying), easy mode on all time but it doesn't really matter because it's an smp server and it's ivan's choice but imo and many players of the server's opinions we shouldn't be just jumping into things 1. "suddenly open it to the public" I dont know where people got this idea. TF has always been planned to eventually open up to every player. Its "Total freedom SMP" not "admin & friends smp" SMP was only added to boost our player counts and to have our current players have another option besides creative2. "wipe without previous warning" SMP has been open for LESS THAN 1 MONTH. The wipe was announced 21 days into the life cycle of smp. Do you want Ivan to automatically know that eventually there should be a wipe? He's a very busy person and im sure took the "develop while we go" approach. Asking for a warning that eventually the map will be wiped before 21 days is completely unrealistic especially when there was no set out plan for smp.
3. "don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings" Compared to the current uptime of less than a month, giving a warning that the wipe will happen in a few months is huge comparatively
4. "what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it" Yes sorry that you and the 4 other admins who play SMP will have to do redo what has taken less than 21 days. again SMP was never just for admins.
5. "survival is usually ran" this statement is completely irrelevant. survival is a gamemode. not a set plan on how you should run a server
a) nobody is creative (not throwing shade) Im in creative because i am a mod and do not enjoy playing survival. I was literally building on the edge of the world and people still somehow manage to get upset at that.
b) it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand Its actuallly not hard at all to understand. Factions was added to have groups and land claiming. That's literally it lol, complex stuff ik. Ivan is actually switching which plugin we use to better reflect the community
c) usually whitelisted Again TF smp was never meant to only stay admin & friends. Also what? there is tons of survival servers that arent whitelisted lol
d) they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? Again, a 21 day warning that the server will be wiped from the time of smp opening. Also 4 people played on the smp even before the announcement of the wipe you're in creative on a SMP server: SURVIVAL multi player, you can play and build all you want in creative on the main server? 21 days is a long time aswell; there are fucking huge builds on the server of farms, islands etc that are just gonna be wiped, even if there are only 4 people playing it, so what? but wait, it doesnt matter to you, you play in creative on a survival server just shows how the execs again don't listen to the community
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Post by SupItsDillon on Feb 21, 2020 21:02:34 GMT
> eventually yeah, after several months, maybe even years, the SMP hasn't been open all that long and thus "other servers do it" doesnt particularly justify it, especially when its been restricted to certain players/admins meaning the map isn't too messed up like it would be on another server ironically i cant actually vote (technically i can) but i feel bad doing it because i never join Yes but eventually there will be a wipe, regardless of time. Square & co are complaining because it was done with little warning & they would lose all their work. Is that not exactly what a wipe does in the future aswell? in like a years time, yeah it will be alright. there will be nothing else to build and people will want a new start, the server has literally just opened, there are still things that people can do
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Premintex
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Post by Premintex on Feb 21, 2020 21:04:01 GMT
Again, a 21 day warning that the server will be wiped from the time of smp opening. Also 4 people played on the smp even before the announcement of the wipe No? The whole reason I worked so hard so far is because I thought we'd be running for a long time (and that can be justified), and I didn't wanna work on other servers where my effort could be gone not just because of intention but just because the servers can't handle being survival.
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Feb 21, 2020 21:30:59 GMT
> eventually yeah, after several months, maybe even years, the SMP hasn't been open all that long and thus "other servers do it" doesnt particularly justify it, especially when its been restricted to certain players/admins meaning the map isn't too messed up like it would be on another server ironically i cant actually vote (technically i can) but i feel bad doing it because i never join Yes but eventually there will be a wipe, regardless of time. Square & co are complaining because it was done with little warning & they would lose all their work. Is that not exactly what a wipe does in the future aswell? because, if you notice, i said the map isn't too messed up at the minute. In a few years time, it will be. Therefore why wipe it now when theres no need to?
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1cloud_
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Post by 1cloud_ on Feb 21, 2020 22:07:56 GMT
I think the reset should happen but not so soon. Delay it till November when the entertainment has been milked, otherwise it will just be annoying.
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je isnt hapi
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Post by je isnt hapi on Feb 24, 2020 2:49:23 GMT
just unwhitelist it
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