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Post by noah on Feb 21, 2020 13:07:47 GMT
ridiculous. i know iT iSnT fAiR bitches here be grindin 1000 hours and building full farms then getting their ass whipped with a world reset
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Post by mattlawn on Feb 21, 2020 19:15:06 GMT
vouch
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Post by zeseryu on Feb 21, 2020 19:17:37 GMT
i can safely say nobody has grinded 1000s of hours
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Post by square on Feb 21, 2020 19:24:37 GMT
i can safely say nobody has grinded 1000s of hours but there has been full farms built in survival (cough)
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Post by zeseryu on Feb 21, 2020 19:28:29 GMT
i can safely say nobody has grinded 1000s of hours but there has been full farms built in survival (cough) yes that didnt take 1000s of hours
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Post by square on Feb 21, 2020 19:30:37 GMT
but there has been full farms built in survival (cough) yes that didnt take 1000s of hours but it did take many hours to days which was tedious only for a reset which none of us were told about or voted for? vouch
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Post by zeseryu on Feb 21, 2020 19:36:28 GMT
yes that didnt take 1000s of hours but it did take many hours to days which was tedious only for a reset which none of us were told about or voted for? vouch you do know that is generally how survival is run right? in all the survival servers I've played on all of them eventually have a wipe. You're also forgetting to mention the reward you'll receive and also the fact that survival was dead
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Post by square on Feb 21, 2020 19:45:25 GMT
but it did take many hours to days which was tedious only for a reset which none of us were told about or voted for? vouch you do know that is generally how survival is run right? in all the survival servers I've played on all of them eventually have a wipe. You're also forgetting to mention the reward you'll receive and also the fact that survival was dead i do realise the wipe will give us more players and i don't personally mind about the wipe but for ivan (a person who doesn't personally play the smp much actually) to suddenly open it to the public + wipe without previous warning (which is how usual survival servers wipe, i've played many) is infuriating to most people who's actually spent time on it (don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings, as he did it during the time people were actually building) what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it? survival is usually ran: - nobody is creative (not throwing shade) - it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand - usually whitelisted - they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? - don't have safeguards such as: warps, tp (i don't mind warps/tps), keepinv (literally no scare to dying), easy mode on all time but it doesn't really matter because it's an smp server and it's ivan's choice but imo and many players of the server's opinions we shouldn't be just jumping into things
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Post by SupItsDillon on Feb 21, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
vouch it isn't an economy server or anything so it isn't like a new person will be disadvantaged and be instantly poor and there are plenty of resources in the huge border area
if there is a wipe, then we should be able to keep our inventories so we can take our most important shit over to the new map
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Post by fionn on Feb 21, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
If y'all want when the server gets reset it Ivan sends me the old files I'll host the smp with all the old essentials files and maps
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Post by zeseryu on Feb 21, 2020 20:13:24 GMT
you do know that is generally how survival is run right? in all the survival servers I've played on all of them eventually have a wipe. You're also forgetting to mention the reward you'll receive and also the fact that survival was dead i do realise the wipe will give us more players and i don't personally mind about the wipe but for ivan (a person who doesn't personally play the smp much actually) to suddenly open it to the public + wipe without previous warning (which is how usual survival servers wipe, i've played many) is infuriating to most people who's actually spent time on it (don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings, as he did it during the time people were actually building) what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it? survival is usually ran: - nobody is creative (not throwing shade) - it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand - usually whitelisted - they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? - don't have safeguards such as: warps, tp (i don't mind warps/tps), keepinv (literally no scare to dying), easy mode on all time but it doesn't really matter because it's an smp server and it's ivan's choice but imo and many players of the server's opinions we shouldn't be just jumping into things 1. "suddenly open it to the public" I dont know where people got this idea. TF has always been planned to eventually open up to every player. Its "Total freedom SMP" not "admin & friends smp" SMP was only added to boost our player counts and to have our current players have another option besides creative2. "wipe without previous warning" SMP has been open for LESS THAN 1 MONTH. The wipe was announced 21 days into the life cycle of smp. Do you want Ivan to automatically know that eventually there should be a wipe? He's a very busy person and im sure took the "develop while we go" approach. Asking for a warning that eventually the map will be wiped before 21 days is completely unrealistic especially when there was no set out plan for smp.
3. "don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings" Compared to the current uptime of less than a month, giving a warning that the wipe will happen in a few months is huge comparatively
4. "what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it" Yes sorry that you and the 4 other admins who play SMP will have to do redo what has taken less than 21 days. again SMP was never just for admins.
5. "survival is usually ran" this statement is completely irrelevant. survival is a gamemode. not a set plan on how you should run a server
a) nobody is creative (not throwing shade) Im in creative because i am a mod and do not enjoy playing survival. I was literally building on the edge of the world and people still somehow manage to get upset at that.
b) it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand Its actuallly not hard at all to understand. Factions was added to have groups and land claiming. That's literally it lol, complex stuff ik. Ivan is actually switching which plugin we use to better reflect the community
c) usually whitelisted Again TF smp was never meant to only stay admin & friends. Also what? there is tons of survival servers that arent whitelisted lol
d) they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? Again, a 21 day warning that the server will be wiped from the time of smp opening. Also 4 people played on the smp even before the announcement of the wipe
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Post by square on Feb 21, 2020 20:40:19 GMT
i do realise the wipe will give us more players and i don't personally mind about the wipe but for ivan (a person who doesn't personally play the smp much actually) to suddenly open it to the public + wipe without previous warning (which is how usual survival servers wipe, i've played many) is infuriating to most people who's actually spent time on it (don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings, as he did it during the time people were actually building) what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it? survival is usually ran: - nobody is creative (not throwing shade) - it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand - usually whitelisted - they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? - don't have safeguards such as: warps, tp (i don't mind warps/tps), keepinv (literally no scare to dying), easy mode on all time but it doesn't really matter because it's an smp server and it's ivan's choice but imo and many players of the server's opinions we shouldn't be just jumping into things 1. "suddenly open it to the public" I dont know where people got this idea. TF has always been planned to eventually open up to every player. Its "Total freedom SMP" not "admin & friends smp" SMP was only added to boost our player counts and to have our current players have another option besides creative2. "wipe without previous warning" SMP has been open for LESS THAN 1 MONTH. The wipe was announced 21 days into the life cycle of smp. Do you want Ivan to automatically know that eventually there should be a wipe? He's a very busy person and im sure took the "develop while we go" approach. Asking for a warning that eventually the map will be wiped before 21 days is completely unrealistic especially when there was no set out plan for smp.
3. "don't say that saying "in a few months" is actually giving warnings" Compared to the current uptime of less than a month, giving a warning that the wipe will happen in a few months is huge comparatively
4. "what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it" Yes sorry that you and the 4 other admins who play SMP will have to do redo what has taken less than 21 days. again SMP was never just for admins.
5. "survival is usually ran" this statement is completely irrelevant. survival is a gamemode. not a set plan on how you should run a server
a) nobody is creative (not throwing shade) Im in creative because i am a mod and do not enjoy playing survival. I was literally building on the edge of the world and people still somehow manage to get upset at that.
b) it's actually an smp, not a factions hybrid with the rules i don't understand Its actuallly not hard at all to understand. Factions was added to have groups and land claiming. That's literally it lol, complex stuff ik. Ivan is actually switching which plugin we use to better reflect the community
c) usually whitelisted Again TF smp was never meant to only stay admin & friends. Also what? there is tons of survival servers that arent whitelisted lol
d) they give actual warning before a wipe instead of just saying "i've decided that it's time for a wipe" while people are actually progressing end game? Again, a 21 day warning that the server will be wiped from the time of smp opening. Also 4 people played on the smp even before the announcement of the wipe yikes here we go "I dont know where people got this idea. TF has always been planned to eventually open up to every player. Its "Total freedom SMP" not "admin & friends smp""when ivan actually decided to start work on a tf smp, it was a continuation of both mine and his (which were admin only) and there was an intention for only admins to be invited because it's a closer knit community - only when people stopped playing we actually decided to allow ops in "Asking for a warning that eventually the map will be wiped before 21 days is completely unrealistic especially when there was no set out plan for smp."
yes, because ivan has actually been doing hard work on the server he shouldn't ask people if he's going to wipe? i'm fine with it but i'm arguing for the sake of people who's actually done shit "Compared to the current uptime of less than a month, giving a warning that the wipe will happen in a few months is huge comparatively"when were we talking about the uptime of the server? of course it's eventual, but instead of just jumping into things (which is what i argued) he should actually ask the people who give a shit? "Yes sorry that you and the 4 other admins who play SMP will have to do redo what has taken less than 21 days. again SMP was never just for admins."
.. and the only 4 people who actually play the server? imagine someone breaking your build that you've spent 21 days on just because some new people want to build around you, again, i don't care - others do. "less than 21 days" lmfao yeah i'll just rebuild my stuff no biggie. "just for admins" refer to my previous answer, it was made and designed for admins only. "this statement is completely irrelevant. survival is a gamemode. not a set plan on how you should run a server"
ironic as i was repeating what you said on how survival was done "Im in creative because i am a mod and do not enjoy playing survival. I was literally building on the edge of the world and people still somehow manage to get upset at that."
same with the old server, if you want to build - go to a building server and if you don't like survival don't play the smp??? lemon doesn't like survival (to what i see) and he just talks when he wants to. i don't see the point in this, i'm fine with it - again - but, as ivan quote, "it's not for personal gain" and was "for public" so why was a public place on the edge of the world? "Its actuallly not hard at all to understand. Factions was added to have groups and land claiming. That's literally it lol, complex stuff ik. Ivan is actually switching which plugin we use to better reflect the community"nice sarcasm but that's not what i meant. i don't care about there being groups and land claiming - i'm talking about the rule where you can pillage anything that is unclaimed which is basically just a hybrid of a factions server. "Again TF smp was never meant to only stay admin & friends. Also what? there is tons of survival servers that arent whitelisted lol"refer to previous answer again. lots of survival servers that aren't whitelisted are alot different from what (i'm sure) ivan meant as it was a better version of his old smp. this was alot more closely knitted (as i said) and that's mainly what smp is. a large survival server is alot different from a close smp. being public is fine but don't have things such as economies if we're going to make it public because it causes lots of closet xraying (which i've first hand experienced). "Again, a 21 day warning that the server will be wiped from the time of smp opening. Also 4 people played on the smp even before the announcement of the wipe"what? he never gave a warning that the server will be wiped at the beginning of the smp? people such as me and prem and speed and many others who were playing and actually establishing end bases are the reason i'm objecting to the wipe as instead of asking the people who actually played the game (i'll still play dw), he comes out and says it suddenly? anyways, i appreciate what you and ivan are doing but people actually played and to redo it all is quite tedious and annoying. i personally (as i said like 5 times?) do not care about the wipe but i do know many who do.
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Post by Luke on Feb 21, 2020 20:48:09 GMT
but it did take many hours to days which was tedious only for a reset which none of us were told about or voted for? vouch you do know that is generally how survival is run right? in all the survival servers I've played on all of them eventually have a wipe. You're also forgetting to mention the reward you'll receive and also the fact that survival was dead > eventually yeah, after several months, maybe even years, the SMP hasn't been open all that long and thus "other servers do it" doesnt particularly justify it, especially when its been restricted to certain players/admins meaning the map isn't too messed up like it would be on another server ironically i cant actually vote (technically i can) but i feel bad doing it because i never join
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Post by speed on Feb 21, 2020 20:59:40 GMT
vouch, going off of what everyone already said people who've already played shouldn't have to redo everything that they already did. if your point is that ops have a bigger disadvantage when they first join, it isn't hard to gain progress (buying, trading, etc) and this honestly goes for literally anyone who starts now. in the event that a reset should happen, it should probably be later on or if the map gets corrupted.
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Post by Premintex on Feb 21, 2020 21:00:39 GMT
4. "what "reward"? that we can start over again, which causes every admin i know who's actually played the smp for a while not to play it" Yes sorry that you and the 4 other admins who play SMP will have to do redo what has taken less than 21 days. again SMP was never just for admins.This is actually so insulting. Basically saying your effort and accomplishment which you are proud of doesn't matter just because it didn't take too long. I've spent a total of 80 hours since I last died and that's not exactly something I care to give up, and others can agree. The whole idea of a reset confuses me, there's literally no point. The excuse "we had a head start" is invalid because it's not at all a competition for who has the coolest base or the best gear. Or, from your own words, "only 21 days of progress." The fact that other SMPs do it does not justify it - there was never a reason to fit in with other survival servers because we were never related to them, in fact, it's far off from other servers since it's so incredibly easy, we're on easy difficulty and locked at that, we have teleportation to anywhere easily, we can control the weather and time so we don't have to deal with monsters, the seed was literally leaked, and all that. Anyway, if you could please give me a legitimate reason as to why a reset is necessary/wanted in any way, that would be nice.
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