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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 22:02:27 GMT
Like, if you're serious about spending $600 on this shitty server then perhaps you should spend any additional funds on a different project. I don't really see a clear way for a good ROI on your part my homie You see TotalFreedom as a "Shitty server", and I see it as a decade long institution with priceless history, that had an un-forseen impact in my life. This is truly what separates myself, from people with attitudes like yourself, who discourage revival attempts, and call this a "shitty community", that put TF on this path in the first place. Mark lost interest, but his love for this community is truly unwavering. You represent the unfortunate minority who lost interest, and instead of moving on, now want to see this community end, and will argue your way to the ends of earth to make that happen. So what if my love for TFM, and the impact it had on my life throughout almost a decade, is prompting me to pay it forward, that's none of your business "homie". I'll tell you why I am here, Miwojedk, I'm here because I owe it to the friends I've made here, to the experiences I've gained, all from a damn Minecraft server. I owe it to people like Video , who quite literally lives and breathes all things TF, no matter the player count. I owe it to people like StevenNL2000 , who, despite their activity restrictions, and real-world responsibilities, take the time out of their day to answer questions, and hold TF to the highest standard possible. And finally, I owe it to Polaris Seltzeris , who, despite our various differences and arguments, continues to blow every single person in this community away. His dedication to this community is unwavering, and his deep respect for TF's roots, whether it be OP rights, or classic TF due process, is honestly unbelievable. His activity and devotion to the game is remarkable, and his passion for TF is truly why we are still here, using this very forum today. So, miwo , I truly ask you (and let it be known to all who read this); Why are you here? I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with this " shitty server", homie?
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Post by miwo on Feb 21, 2020 22:49:31 GMT
Like, if you're serious about spending $600 on this shitty server then perhaps you should spend any additional funds on a different project. I don't really see a clear way for a good ROI on your part my homie You see TotalFreedom as a "Shitty server", and I see it as a decade long institution with priceless history, that had an un-forseen impact in my life. This is truly what separates myself, from people with attitudes like yourself, who discourage revival attempts, and call this a "shitty community", that put TF on this path in the first place. Mark lost interest, but his love for this community is truly unwavering. You represent the unfortunate minority who lost interest, and instead of moving on, now want to see this community end, and will argue your way to the ends of earth to make that happen. So what if my love for TFM, and the impact it had on my life throughout almost a decade, is prompting me to pay it forward, that's none of your business "homie". I'll tell you why I am here, Miwojedk, I'm here because I owe it to the friends I've made here, to the experiences I've gained, all from a damn Minecraft server. I owe it to people like Video , who quite literally lives and breathes all things TF, no matter the player count. I owe it to people like StevenNL2000 , who, despite their activity restrictions, and real-world responsibilities, take the time out of their day to answer questions, and hold TF to the highest standard possible. And finally, I owe it to Polaris Seltzeris , who, despite our various differences and arguments, continues to blow every single person in this community away. His dedication to this community is unwavering, and his deep respect for TF's roots, whether it be OP rights, or classic TF due process, is honestly unbelievable. His activity and devotion to the game is remarkable, and his passion for TF is truly why we are still here, using this very forum today. So, miwo , I truly ask you (and let it be known to all who read this); Why are you here? I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with this " shitty server", homie? And now you're just twisting my words. I never said that TF had a shitty community - quite the contrary. I said the reason why I still play on the server is entirely because of said community. I am not going to kid myself into thinking that TF is any better than a normal creative server - and I have also contributed to the server over my decade-long tenure and I hope to do so in the future as well. I have never discouraged any form of revival for TF, but what I do discourage is wishful thinking that you can magically regain a lost playerbase by merely advertising a server that is in a shitty state atm in regards to building at least. "So what if my love for TFM, and the impact it had on my life throughout almost a decade, is prompting me to pay it forward, that's none of your business "homie" Umad? Your Independence Day did not include any actual responses to any of my previous points in my comments, but nice try homeboy Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 22:51:21 GMT
this literally went from an OPs idea to gay porn I raise my hand in agreement with this player's approval of gay porn in this thread. dont even try and approve shit youre a master builder and dont come telling me you were an admin
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Post by Luke on Feb 21, 2020 23:07:20 GMT
I raise my hand in agreement with this player's approval of gay porn in this thread. dont even try and approve shit youre a master builder and dont come telling me you were an admin as an admin i approve miwo as an official officiate
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 3:48:43 GMT
I raise my hand in agreement with this player's approval of gay porn in this thread. dont even try and approve shit youre a master builder and dont come telling me you were an admin Funny you say that, he was the first person to become super or senior admin (might have been called chief admin back in the day) on this server. Additionally, he basically founded master builder/creative designer on this server back in 2011. Not to suck his dick here, but it's not unhelpful to have the perspective of the person who has been on the server the longest out of people that are still active here.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 4:04:49 GMT
Like, if you're serious about spending $600 on this shitty server then perhaps you should spend any additional funds on a different project. I don't really see a clear way for a good ROI on your part my homie You see TotalFreedom as a "Shitty server", and I see it as a decade long institution with priceless history, that had an un-forseen impact in my life. This is truly what separates myself, from people with attitudes like yourself, who discourage revival attempts, and call this a "shitty community", that put TF on this path in the first place. Mark lost interest, but his love for this community is truly unwavering. You represent the unfortunate minority who lost interest, and instead of moving on, now want to see this community end, and will argue your way to the ends of earth to make that happen. So what if my love for TFM, and the impact it had on my life throughout almost a decade, is prompting me to pay it forward, that's none of your business "homie". I'll tell you why I am here, Miwojedk, I'm here because I owe it to the friends I've made here, to the experiences I've gained, all from a damn Minecraft server. I owe it to people like Video , who quite literally lives and breathes all things TF, no matter the player count. I owe it to people like StevenNL2000 , who, despite their activity restrictions, and real-world responsibilities, take the time out of their day to answer questions, and hold TF to the highest standard possible. And finally, I owe it to Polaris Seltzeris , who, despite our various differences and arguments, continues to blow every single person in this community away. His dedication to this community is unwavering, and his deep respect for TF's roots, whether it be OP rights, or classic TF due process, is honestly unbelievable. His activity and devotion to the game is remarkable, and his passion for TF is truly why we are still here, using this very forum today. So, miwo , I truly ask you (and let it be known to all who read this); Why are you here? I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with this " shitty server", homie? It's bizarre to me how you respond with such uncharitable arguments to people you discuss with then start boasting about them. I think the only major point being made here is that advertisement is *not the single 100% factor causing a decline in TF*, but you continue to contest this when all anybody is saying that more focus should be put into other possibilities. If we put our heads in the sand and put all our chips in the basket of advertisement, it WILL put this server in danger because you are deliberately leaving out any other potential factor that can cause decline. For somebody so concerned about other people's motives or background in having this discussion, your position on this certainly seems to put this server in the most danger of further decline because all we're arguing for is a more reasonable approach to this which doesn't jeopardize the core values of this server while also considering every possible option we have to try to better the server. If we go down the route of sacrificing more of the server's core values (refusal to accept donations, no nagging for voting, no reward systems, freedom at no cost) in an effort to go down a single path of just spending all efforts on advertising, then we not only risk not getting the expected return on those advertisement efforts but also losing people that were interested in those unique aspects of the server. I'm simply advocating approaching this in a more reasonable way with the whole community involved without speeding down this path dangerously to *prevent damage to the server*, this is not an unreasonable position. For somebody who keeps putting up this "the community must determine our fate" argument, I didn't see you complaining when donations became official without a community vote, despite that being a significant staple of this server held passionately by Mark. You'd think the community would've had some sort of say in that? It's not totally related to this discussion, but that's another example of us ditching a core value of this server without having community involvement or a discussion on how we are going to approach the future of this server. We can't go down this path while simultaneously leaving the community out of it. All I'm saying is that instead of rushing to ditch the values of this server, we hold community discussions on ideas to better the server based on analysis of every factor that goes into this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 21:24:54 GMT
So, miwo , I truly ask you (and let it be known to all who read this); Why are you here? I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with this " shitty server", homie? did not include any actual responses to any of my previous points in my comments, but nice try homeboy Cheers. Not only did I respond and answer every single question you asked me, including me posting an additional abbreviated breakdown for you, to make your life easier, but you failed miserably in answering my one and only question posed to you... So I'll pose it again "I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with (in your own words, you summed up your intentions once more), this " shitty server"." Please answer this question directly, <3
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Post by miwo on Feb 22, 2020 21:30:04 GMT
did not include any actual responses to any of my previous points in my comments, but nice try homeboy Cheers. Not only did I respond and answer every single question you asked me, including me posting an additional abbreviated breakdown for you, to make your life easier, but you failed miserably in answering my one and only question posed to you... So I'll pose it again "I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with (in your own words, you summed up your intentions once more), this " shitty server"." Please answer this question directly, <3 Umad brah. Disregard females: acquire mad W1ze "I never said that TF had a shitty community - quite the contrary. I said the reason why I still play on the server is entirely because of said community" Cheers.
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Post by miwo on Feb 22, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
did not include any actual responses to any of my previous points in my comments, but nice try homeboy Cheers. Not only did I respond and answer every single question you asked me, including me posting an additional abbreviated breakdown for you, to make your life easier, In your first response to me you blatantly went over the entirety of my post and straight to "advertising is 100% the problem" - not giving any comment to my point about it useless to advertise a server unless what you advertise is of actual value to the consumer. There is zero player retention if you're going to advertise the current state of the server, because, as I have said several times by now, the server has so many areas in which it can heavily improve upon. Here's a question you can answer if you can muster up the attention span for 2 minutes: why would a new player want to join Total Freedom over any other server? What differentiates this server from another creative server? There is no virtual perk in having OP when it is essentially the same as a "builder" rank on a normal creative server, if not worse, because there you at least have a decent amount of liberty - less restrictions upon WE etc. You also never responded to my point about the fact that as MineCraft's popularity has declined so has TF's i.e. there's a observable trend that may/may not correlate. Instead of addressing the majority of my points you resort to childish behaviour such as insulting both Wilee and I and strawmanning our arguments. Also quite ironic how you could our speech "sophistiretarded" when you in fact use a similar manner of speaking. You have a fear of others using big words my homeboy? It's quite amusing to watch you get agitated over what-was-a-friendly-discussion on a MineCraft forum. One could maybe ask... Are you mad Some other questions for you: "Please elaborate on how you will use "YouTube/Twitch exposure" - are you going to gift PewDiePie $5 and have him review TotalFreedom?" [.....] "Unless you plan to pay small youtubers (I presume you mean 2500-10000 subs) $50-100 a promotion, then I don't really see how your plan is going to come into frutiion?" "Why do you need 5% of the nonexistent donations going to SEO and misc (whatever that means)? Are you going to hire a professional? Are you doing it yourself, if so, why do you need money to do it?" "The last 10% - as far as I know both bStats and clockify are free to use, no? Where does the money go?" For all we know, you could just stash the non-existent donations in your pocket and use free software for your purposes. I think it would be fair to ask of you to post a reciept for the $600 you spent on the server, because I am quite sure you're just talking out of your ass - unless of course you can prove me wrong? At this point, it certainly looks like you're just virtue signalling <3
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 22:06:02 GMT
Not only did I respond and answer every single question you asked me, including me posting an additional abbreviated breakdown for you, to make your life easier, but you failed miserably in answering my one and only question posed to you... So I'll pose it again "I told you what drives me day in and day out; What drives you to burden yourself with (in your own words, you summed up your intentions once more), this " shitty server"." Please answer this question directly, <3 Umad brah. Disregard females: acquire mad W1ze "I never said that TF had a shitty community - quite the contrary. I said the reason why I still play on the server is entirely because of said community" Cheers. Like, if you're serious about spending $600 on this shitty server then perhaps you should spend any additional funds on a different project. I don't really see a clear way for a good ROI on your part my homie For the love of god mate, cut the bs, stop attacking me, changing the subject etc. Be an adult, and if that's impossible, at the very the least, be straight up. Tell the community, and I'll ask for the third and final time, what your intentions are by calling TF a "shitty server"... You've avoided answering this simple question twice, hopefully third times the charm :fingerscrossed:. Until then, I guess the "umad brah" and "homeslice"'s will be all we get. Cheers.
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Post by miwo on Feb 22, 2020 22:12:09 GMT
Umad brah. Disregard females: acquire mad W1ze "I never said that TF had a shitty community - quite the contrary. I said the reason why I still play on the server is entirely because of said community" Cheers. Like, if you're serious about spending $600 on this shitty server then perhaps you should spend any additional funds on a different project. I don't really see a clear way for a good ROI on your part my homie For the love of god mate, cut the bs, stop attacking me, changing the subject etc. Be an adult, and if that's impossible, at the very the least, be straight up. Tell the community, and I'll ask for the third and final time, what you meant by calling TF a "shitty server"... You've avoided answering this simple question twice, hopefully third times the charm :fingerscrossed:. Until then, I guess the "umad brah" and "homeslice"'s will be all we get. Cheers. Logical inference isn't your strong suit eh? TF Is a shitty server: Compared to a heap of other servers ours is indeed worse. The only plugin we have for building purposes is worldedit which is heavily limited (to the point of being useless when building). There is no way to SMP on the server, no minigames nothing else to fool around with. Why would a new player want to join a server that provides next to no joy other than a some-what disenfranchised community? I have said all this several times before in this thread, but it's readily apparent that you have a severe lack of an attention span when you can't read 3 paragraphs without zoning out. If you were to actually join the server for once, demote yourself temporarily and play as an OP, you would quickly see why people aren't flocking towards TF, even if you have such high expectations for your ads. and you didn't answer any of my questions in my post above. you are mad
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 22:15:35 GMT
For the love of god mate, cut the bs, stop attacking me, changing the subject etc. Be an adult, and if that's impossible, at the very the least, be straight up. Tell the community, and I'll ask for the third and final time, what you meant by calling TF a "shitty server"... You've avoided answering this simple question twice, hopefully third times the charm :fingerscrossed:. Until then, I guess the "umad brah" and "homeslice"'s will be all we get. Cheers. Logical inference isn't your strong suit eh? it's readily apparent that you have a severe lack of an attention span when you can't read 3 paragraphs without zoning out. and you didn't answer any of my questions in my post above. yOu aRe mAd How many dog dicks can you fit inside your seemingly tight asshole? Because it seems as though you have one too many at this point in time because it appears as though you get irritated when people come with contrasting views. Take one out of your anal cavity and quit resorting to childish retorts. Phaggot rofl I am certainly the boiling mad OP in this situation. Anyhow, the third time was in-fact the charm. God is good. Now to answer your newly posed questions:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 22:46:52 GMT
"Please elaborate on how you will use "YouTube/Twitch exposure" - are you going to gift PewDiePie $5 and have him review TotalFreedom?" [.....] "Unless you plan to pay small youtubers (I presume you mean 2500-10000 subs) $50-100 a promotion, then I don't really see how your plan is going to come into frutiion?" - I've outlined this already, both here and in TFMGA, but for aguments sake, I'll repeat myself; we are using a plethora of small scale youtubers, and streamers, with high view:sub ratios to play on TF and re-generate exposure. Additionally, we are also going to be buying various discord server shout-out spaces, and MCM advertisement spaces, to increase exposure even further. The name of the game is exposure.
"Why do you need 5% of the nonexistent donations going to SEO and misc (whatever that means)? Are you going to hire a professional? Are you doing it yourself, if so, why do you need money to do it?" - We'll most likely do it ourselves, but if shit hits the fan, leaving extra $$ to hire a professional to work alongside is never a bad option. In terms of miscellaneous costs, things such as social media campaigns, designers, artists, etc. could be included. Leaving 5% of the budget to expand is a real-world fiscal strategy, and will inherently be applied to TF.
"The last 10% - as far as I know both bStats and clockify are free to use, no? Where does the money go?" We've used bStats for millenia, and Clockify is a new program we are still working out the kinks on. The money for these programs, really reside in the LRM hooks, such as KERL that Fionn and I run, alongside Nero and SKS to track raw activity data, and transfer it over to Clockify. Data analysis programs that I've begin to use like Tableau, costs a pretty penny. The need to manage all of our on-going exposure campaigns, and gauge the simultaneous successes and failures, to allow us to adjust accordingly is a daunting task, to say the least. Programs like div-track and hippy will assist us on these campaigns indefinitely. Truth of the matter is, the more I write about this, the more I'm leaning towards debating about increasing this portion of the budget even more.
For all we know, you could just stash the non-existent donations in your pocket and use free software for your purposes. I think it would be fair to ask of you to post a "reciept" for the $600 you spent on the server, because I am quite sure you're just talking out of your ass - unless of course you can prove me wrong? At this point, it certainly looks like you're just virtue signalling
I'd be more than willing to post receipts from all of our advertisement venture expenses lol, I'm a huge believer in transparency, I've lived by this thus far. You continue to derail this conversation by telling me I'm talking out of my ass and calling me a "phaggot", I haven't insulted you in this manor once. You call me mad, yet you seem to be using this vulgar consistently. I'll let TF be the judges, as stooping down to your tone is both shameful and downright disrespectful to the nature of this conversation. We are talking about the future of TotalFreedom, not me being a "phaggot".
On a side note, I spent $30 on keeping TF alive last month, and that's not even part of the budget lol...
Anyhow, now that both my question and your questions are answered, and voting seems to be halted, I think these VRS suggestions should be implemented without adjusted tab color implementations. I'll tally up the votes thus far and talk to Super and Ivan about making this happen pronto.
Cheers!
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 22, 2020 23:04:14 GMT
On a side note, I spent $30 on keeping TF alive last month, and that's not even part of the budget lol... Shouldn't you be the owner of this server then if you're now keeping it alive?
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Post by miwo on Feb 22, 2020 23:17:07 GMT
Logical inference isn't your strong suit eh? it's readily apparent that you have a severe lack of an attention span when you can't read 3 paragraphs without zoning out. and you didn't answer any of my questions in my post above. yOu aRe mAd How many dog dicks can you fit inside your seemingly tight asshole? Because it seems as though you have one too many at this point in time because it appears as though you get irritated when people come with contrasting views. Take one out of your anal cavity and quit resorting to childish retorts. Phaggot rofl I am certainly the boiling mad OP in this situation. Anyhow, the third time was in-fact the charm. God is good. Now to answer your newly posed questions: " Logical inference isn't your strong suit eh? " - when you clearly can't take the two-step approach it requires to see that I clearly answered your question in my response, then yeah, you probably are not very sufficient with logical inference: "I never said that TF had a shitty community - quite the contrary. I said the reason why I still play on the server is entirely because of said community" "it's readily apparent that you have a severe lack of an attention span when you can't read 3 paragraphs without zoning out." - Calling out the obvious. You have yet to address the majority of my points i.e. you must A) be disingenious . B) have a low attention span. "How many dog dicks can you fit inside your seemingly tight asshole? Because it seems as though you have one too many at this point in time because it appears as though you get irritated when people come with contrasting views. Take one out of your anal cavity and quit resorting to childish retorts. Phaggot" In response to your comment: how many sophistiretarded words you and wilee throw, you will ultimately fail at bending this reality. I challenge you both to log-onto TotalFreedom (again, especially Wilee (please Wilee, join the server, we'd love to have you!)), as I do everyday without fail, and observe the player trends. Base your thoughts on that- our hyper-current reality, and not on assumptions from 2011-14 (as a player from 2014, I can personally vouch that the current state of this server is night and day as compared to TF back then). Bon Cerra. Cheers buddy. "Please elaborate on how you will use "YouTube/Twitch exposure" - are you going to gift PewDiePie $5 and have him review TotalFreedom?" [.....] "Unless you plan to pay small youtubers (I presume you mean 2500-10000 subs) $50-100 a promotion, then I don't really see how your plan is going to come into frutiion?" - I've outlined this already, both here and in TFMGA, but for aguments sake, I'll repeat myself; we are using a plethora of small scale youtubers, and streamers, with high view:sub ratios to play on TF and re-generate exposure. Additionally, we are also going to be buying various discord server shout-out spaces, and MCM advertisement spaces, to increase exposure even further. The name of the game is exposure. Have you tried messaging one of these YouTubers? How many Subs are we speaking (or View/Sub ratio)? What is the amount that you're expecting to bribe these people with and what exactly do you expect them to do. Do you want them to do a quick shout-out for $20? Or do you want them to make a 10-minute long review of Total Freedom which is going to get really boring, as I have noted previously in this thread, because there is almost nothing extraordinary about the server currently - which is why I continue to spout the fact that you can't advertise a sub-par product and expect a meaningful response. ew cash. Are you going to send them a message saying "$50 and you shout out our server"? The name of the game is a better server, not exposure. Basic communication 101. "Why do you need 5% of the nonexistent donations going to SEO and misc (whatever that means)? Are you going to hire a professional? Are you doing it yourself, if so, why do you need money to do it?" - We'll most likely do it ourselves, but if shit hits the fan, leaving extra $$ to hire a professional to work alongside is never a bad option. In terms of miscellaneous costs, things such as social media campaigns, designers, artists, etc. could be included. Leaving 5% of the budget to expand is a real-world fiscal strategy, and will inherently be applied to TF. You do realize that hourly rates for consultants fall between $80-$200/hour for SEO? Is this money going to come out of your pocket again? You speak so lightly of these things, yet you have yet to actually come up with an answer as to how to finance these things are go more into depth as to what you mean when you say "SEO". It's fine that you know of SEO, but you can't just speak with such vagueness and expect me not to question you further as to where you will get the cahs and how you will spend said money. Saying ambiguously "social media campagins, designers, artists etc" sounds awesome but what do you mean specifically? Are you going to bombard Facebook (13+ age) with TF ads? Again, are you aware of the cost of these things? "The last 10% - as far as I know both bStats and clockify are free to use, no? Where does the money go?" We've used bStats for millenia, and Clockify is a new program we are still working out the kinks on. The money for these programs, really reside in the LRM hooks, such as KERL that Fionn and I run, alongside Nero and SKS to track raw activity data, and transfer it over to Clockify. Data analysis programs that I've begin to use like Tableau, costs a pretty penny. The need to manage all of our on-going exposure campaigns, and gauge the simultaneous successes and failures, to allow us to adjust accordingly is a daunting task, to say the least. Programs like div-track and hippy will assist us on these campaigns indefinitely. Truth of the matter is, the more I write about this, the more I'm leaning towards debating about increasing this portion of the budget even more. This is where you would say "sophistiretarded". Where are the funds coming from. For all we know, you could just stash the non-existent donations in your pocket and use free software for your purposes. I think it would be fair to ask of you to post a "reciept" for the $600 you spent on the server, because I am quite sure you're just talking out of your ass - unless of course you can prove me wrong? At this point, it certainly looks like you're just virtue signalling I'd be more than willing to post receipts from all of our advertisement venture expenses lol, I'm a huge believer in transparency, I've lived by this thus far. You continue to derail this conversation by telling me I'm talking out of my ass and calling me a "phaggot", I haven't insulted you in this manor once. You call me mad, yet you seem to be using this vulgar consistently. I'll let TF be the judges, as stooping down to your tone is both shameful and downright disrespectful to the nature of this conversation. We are talking about the future of TotalFreedom, not me being a "phaggot". Don't kid yourself. Umad. I am talking about a 'future' for TF and you just being a mad phaggot while you're talking about an absurd notion of advertisements being the only way to revitalize a server in which you say the playerbase is exponentially declining (Which has been said for the past 7 years mind you). Where are your reciepts? If you're so pro-transparency why didn't you just link the images in your response? On a side note, I spent $30 on keeping TF alive last month, and that's not even part of the budget lol... Very cool. Why aren't you the owner? ___________________________________ Kinda sad that I have to dig into your plans for advertising, because it is quite cool to see that you're so engaged with this aspect of the server, but when you continually refuse to give a comment on why we shouldn't be bettering the server instead of merely advertising it, then I am kind of forced to move in this direction. Feel free to answer this vocal point of this entire conversation any time.
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