?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Jan 14, 2020 21:27:23 GMT
This situation is not black and white, I'll give you that. But there are clear efforts to get rid of me within the higher-ups. Only two days ago, Nero abused her power and removed my Discord permissions as an admin. Then, Robin edited his post about my removal and removed the fact that it said "temporary suspension." Not much of a conspiracy theorist myself but this is only after I started talking about things that made the uncomfortable. Robin and Seth want an EAO completely loyal to them in fear of a possible coup. seriously? i wouldn't have cared if you argued with me, but literally going at someone harshly in general just takes shit somewhere else. i wouldn't have cared if you weren't loyal, but as a human being, i also fucking have feelings towards the bullshit you say sometimes, yeah? i changed it mostly because you just worsened the situation. by acting this way, i believe even besides the point that you were suspended by something else, you don't merit your position as the way you acted yesterday. nero never abused her power to begin with, she gave you a warning and she advised you to stop, yet you continued.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:28:12 GMT
You're right; Panther didn't have a mental breakdown. But where in the original thread did Super mention Ron or Panther at all? The answer: nowhere. In fact, you can do a CTRL + F on the original thread and you can see the only posts that contain mentions of Panther were not by super himself. Ron was not mentioned anywhere in the thread period. The first person to bring up Panther at all in that thread was actually you. I DM'd super myself and then he provided to name ron himself, use some critical thinking please. he said the thread, not dms what Yes, but he is implying that you never named the person you were talking about at all. Which is false, because you told me it was Ron.
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Post by super on Jan 14, 2020 21:31:50 GMT
he said the thread, not dms what Yes, but he is implying that you never named the person you were talking about at all. Which is false, because you told me it was Ron. dude, he literally said explicitly from the thread.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:31:56 GMT
This situation is not black and white, I'll give you that. But there are clear efforts to get rid of me within the higher-ups. Only two days ago, Nero abused her power and removed my Discord permissions as an admin. Then, Robin edited his post about my removal and removed the fact that it said "temporary suspension." Not much of a conspiracy theorist myself but this is only after I started talking about things that made the uncomfortable. Robin and Seth want an EAO completely loyal to them in fear of a possible coup. seriously? i wouldn't have cared if you argued with me, but literally going at someone harshly in general just takes shit somewhere else. i wouldn't have cared if you weren't loyal, but as a human being, i also fucking have feelings towards the bullshit you say sometimes, yeah? i changed it mostly because you just worsened the situation. by acting this way, i believe even besides the point that you were suspended by something else, you don't merit your position as the way you acted yesterday. nero never abused her power to begin with, she gave you a warning and she advised you to stop, yet you continued. Yesterday, you told me the suspension was temporary and stated it yourself. Only after I started bringing logs proving what actually happened did you make the suspension permanent. Nero did abuse. She is a senior admin, and I was EAO at the time. You are the single largest hypocrite on this server and are the first on the train to bully, harass, and mock people. You were also the first to delete many of your messages from two days ago on Discord. You don't care about this server and definitely not the player base. You care about keeping your position, and, as soon as that was threatened by my logs, you decided it'd just be easier to get rid of me. Give it a month and see if Panther stays loyal to this server lmao
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Post by neroblackcat on Jan 14, 2020 21:32:15 GMT
I didn't abuse actually. I warned you about removing roles then I removed yours after you didn't adhere to them. You actually took it as a joke until now. Because you apparently need me as your scapegoat for some reason. Stop including me in stuff I have nothing to do with, especially after coming at me personally off of the server and it's forums. Stop starting a flame war with me and others just because you got your administrative role removed.
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:32:46 GMT
Yes, but he is implying that you never named the person you were talking about at all. Which is false, because you told me it was Ron. dude, he literally said explicitly from the thread. The point he is trying to making isn't what is on the thread or isn't. He is trying to say that you never mentioned WHO the thread was talking about.
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:34:06 GMT
I didn't abuse actually. I warned you about removing roles then I removed yours after you didn't adhere to them. You actually took it as a joke until now. Because you apparently need me as your scapegoat for some reason. Stop including me in stuff I have nothing to do with, especially after coming at me personally off of the server and it's forums. Stop starting a flame war with me and others just because you got your administrative role removed. Nope, look through the messages that day. I said that what you did was abusive. Also, that user is Kai, not some random OP that I "abused." I was in a VC with her (and you) and she asked for her role to be taken away.
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?Robin
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Post by ?Robin on Jan 14, 2020 21:40:38 GMT
seriously? i wouldn't have cared if you argued with me, but literally going at someone harshly in general just takes shit somewhere else. i wouldn't have cared if you weren't loyal, but as a human being, i also fucking have feelings towards the bullshit you say sometimes, yeah? i changed it mostly because you just worsened the situation. by acting this way, i believe even besides the point that you were suspended by something else, you don't merit your position as the way you acted yesterday. nero never abused her power to begin with, she gave you a warning and she advised you to stop, yet you continued. Yesterday, you told me the suspension was temporary and stated it yourself. Only after I started bringing logs proving what actually happened did you make the suspension permanent. Nero did abuse. She is a senior admin, and I was EAO at the time. You are the single largest hypocrite on this server and are the first on the train to bully, harass, and mock people. You were also the first to delete many of your messages from two days ago on Discord. You don't care about this server and definitely not the player base. You care about keeping your position, and, as soon as that was threatened by my logs, you decided it'd just be easier to get rid of me. Give it a month and see if Panther stays loyal to this server lmao and yet again, yesterday I had to change my own mind because you just kept flaming at me once you got removed, and then you went after Nero for absolutely no reason. I can suspend you for a totally different reason at this point because of the way you pretty much behaved. And since when do you have logs for what happened? Either I don't remember or you never did provide, as I had those two logs provided towards you, and that's pretty much the only thing. And once again, with the discord logs in this thread, how are you going to say that she's abusing? Seriously, you're gonna do that shit, even though Discord right there LITERALLY shows that you've constantly been moving shit around? Call me a hypocrite if you want, I don't care, but all I know is that yes, I do said things, but so do you. You're on the same level and hell, even higher (because you're literally racist) when it comes to those things. Also, since when have I deleted my messages? I never delete any messages because I can't be assed to even scroll up in the chat, and then remove. All I did was delete things about people complaining about Scaleway being shitty and whatnot. So once again, either I have yet to see these logs, or it just isn't true. And honestly, I truly would leave my position if I wanted to or needed to. Literally everyone who's actually a friend of mine knows that I don't want to be here to deal with the bullshit, yet I do. If Panther doesn't stay loyal to the server, then that can be taken care of with something else, that right now, isn't the problem.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:53:07 GMT
Yesterday, you told me the suspension was temporary and stated it yourself. Only after I started bringing logs proving what actually happened did you make the suspension permanent. Nero did abuse. She is a senior admin, and I was EAO at the time. You are the single largest hypocrite on this server and are the first on the train to bully, harass, and mock people. You were also the first to delete many of your messages from two days ago on Discord. You don't care about this server and definitely not the player base. You care about keeping your position, and, as soon as that was threatened by my logs, you decided it'd just be easier to get rid of me. Give it a month and see if Panther stays loyal to this server lmao and yet again, yesterday I had to change my own mind because you just kept flaming at me once you got removed, and then you went after Nero for absolutely no reason. I can suspend you for a totally different reason at this point because of the way you pretty much behaved. And since when do you have logs for what happened? Either I don't remember or you never did provide, as I had those two logs provided towards you, and that's pretty much the only thing. And once again, with the discord logs in this thread, how are you going to say that she's abusing? Seriously, you're gonna do that shit, even though Discord right there LITERALLY shows that you've constantly been moving shit around? Call me a hypocrite if you want, I don't care, but all I know is that yes, I do said things, but so do you. You're on the same level and hell, even higher (because you're literally racist) when it comes to those things. Also, since when have I deleted my messages? I never delete any messages because I can't be assed to even scroll up in the chat, and then remove. All I did was delete things about people complaining about Scaleway being shitty and whatnot. So once again, either I have yet to see these logs, or it just isn't true. And honestly, I truly would leave my position if I wanted to or needed to. Literally everyone who's actually a friend of mine knows that I don't want to be here to deal with the bullshit, yet I do. If Panther doesn't stay loyal to the server, then that can be taken care of with something else, that right now, isn't the problem. Truly is a waste of time arguing with you. I posted the screenshot yesterday of you admitting that the only reason I was suspended is do Panther doesn't bypass and exploit again. Very fradulent suspension from the start and no formal thread, reasoning, or evidence provided from your end yet. "You're on the same level" glad to hear you admit that, even though I'm not sure what the racism part, considering the word "nigger" is a big part of our own owner's vocabulary. Are you just pulling reasons out of your ass at this point. Let's look at the possible reasons for my suspension that people in this thread have mentioned: - "Bullying" Panther
- "Bullying" Ron
- Being racist (?)
- Flaming Robin
- Not being a good EAO
So, tell you what. You can pick and choose your reason, and let me know what you decide it is. It's laughable how I was obviously suspended without one and now you all are just scrambling to find one that fits the bill.
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Post by Video on Jan 14, 2020 22:15:18 GMT
For an archivist, it surprising how bad of a job you do at keep track of events. For an Executive Admin Officer, it's surprising how bad of a job you did at trying to resolve the issue. Firstly, the screenshots you provided were from hours after the Ron incident occurred. So what, that makes it okay to mock him? The situation that caused him to have a "breakdown" is someone posting an IRL image of him and then mocking him about it. As the Executive Admin Officer, did you punish the person who posted the picture? Ron had long left the server when I said those things, but of which weren't even directed at him but rather at Kai That's still making fun of Ron though? I DM'd super myself and then he provided to name ron himself, use some critical thinking please. As Super pointed out, I explicitly said the thread. Also, the huge difference between the DMs and the thread is simple: the thread was in the public eye, but the DMs were not. Extremely sad that you resort to cutting entire chunks of conversation. But, I stand by what I said in the screenshot regardless. Mentioning that Panther has crashed a server with his alt is not bullying nor harassment. Here's you openly admitting it was bullying: Either way, next time, feel free to include messages of when Panther and his friend threw insults and "bullied" me as well. I don't care if he did it. The reason it's a bigger deal for you is because you were the Executive Admin Officer, while Panther was just another member of the community. As an Executive Admin Officer, you are expected to be a role model to your lower ranks, while he is not. Who is "my group"?? Lmfao. If an admin harasses or bullies you, report them, not what you assume is their "entire group". There's a problem with that logic, which is that reports go to the Executive Admin Officer. If they are doing the same thing as the people reported, do you expect the report to get that far? If the primary reason I was removed is because I was friends with certain people then remove Robin and Seth as well, since we have the same mutual friends. The primary reason had nothing to do with your friendship between the two. The reason had entirely to do with your acts of bullying and obstruction of justice. "Regardless of the people you bullied" So, I didn't really bully anyone? Evidence says otherwise. Just didn't remove the people who were allegedly bullying Ron (hours before I joined the conversation)? Correct. You obstructed justice by not doing anything about it despite knowing very well what they were doing. Why didn't Seth or Robin remove them? They were both online at the time. They were playing a game of (what I believe to be) Garden Warfare 2. Seth did remove them afterwards, but someone gave them their permissions back. Don't know much about Robin, but I suspect he just couldn't. Arguing that the harassment policy (created YESTERDAY) is somehow relevant to something I said two days before it was made is ridiculous. With that same logic it applies to this: The date was literally days before Panther's apology. He said shit about him because Panther hadn't apologized yet. This situation is not black and white, I'll give you that. But there are clear efforts to get rid of me within the higher-ups. Probably because since your suspension, you've been flaming everyone (even people who weren't involved) who even happened to have existed around that time. Only two days ago, Nero abused her power and removed my Discord permissions as an admin. Yeah, I have reason to believe she did that as a warning to get you to get ahold of yourself. Then, Robin edited his post about my removal and removed the fact that it said "temporary suspension." Probably because you are taking your suspension extremely poorly. Not much of a conspiracy theorist myself but this is only after I started talking about things that made the uncomfortable. Robin and Seth want an EAO completely loyal to them in fear of a possible coup. No, that's entirely bullshit and you know it. Robin and Seth want an EAO that doesn't bully ops and admins and doesn't let their friends get away with misconduct (such as bullying).
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 22:46:32 GMT
So what, that makes it okay to mock him? That wasn't the point. The point was that the original issue was someone posting an image of him. And what I said was hardly mockery, considering it isn't even directly related to Ron. As the Executive Admin Officer, did you punish the person who posted the picture? As the archivist did you report it to me? You must've known that his picture was posted AND deleted long before I joined. No one told me about it. Here's you openly admitting it was bullying: I doubt a bully would casually admit what they were doing is bullying. It was clear that I was being sarcastic since Panther was insulting me. Could I have handled it better and just ignore his allegation and insults towards me? Yes. But I did not break any rules while responding to him. Either way, you used to constantly cry about Ivan and Robin making fun of you but I've never heard you make a peep about them. Or are you waiting for them to be suspended then having he courage to talk to them? I don't care if he did it. The reason it's a bigger deal for you is because you were the Executive Admin Officer, while Panther was just another member of the community. As an Executive Admin Officer, you are expected to be a role model to your lower ranks, while he is not. You all just love to casually leave out how Panther is not a member of this community but rather a permbanned rogue exploiter huh? You still make fun of marco but I don't see any suspensions resulting from it. There's a problem with that logic, which is that reports go to the Executive Admin Officer. If they are doing the same thing as the people reported, do you expect the report to get that far? Yes, if someone had gone to me and told me which exact admin posted an image of Ron and made fun of it, it would've been dealt with. Contrary to your lies, I have never posted an IRL image of anyone on this server. Correct. You obstructed justice by not doing anything about it despite knowing very well what they were doing. Nope. Again, no one reported it and I had no solid proof to suspend or sanction anyone. Probably because since your suspension, you've been flaming everyone (even people who weren't involved) who even happened to have existed around that time. You reek of hypocrisy. You just accused me of obstructing justice multiple times but when I call out people for doing the same it's "flaming"? Get a hold of yourself. Probably because you are taking your suspension extremely poorly. It's not a suspension. It is a defamation ploy to get rid of me. If it was a suspension, there would've been a reason, proof, and transparency. The only reason I care so much is because I've been on this server for nearly 6 years now without as much as a warning, let alone a suspension. If this had happened to you I'm sure you would've caused much more drama than this. No, that's entirely bullshit and you know it. Robin and Seth want an EAO that doesn't bully ops and admins and doesn't let their friends get away with misconduct (such as bullying). Wrong again. They have patricipated in and encouraged much more bullying, harassment, and even racism than I have. They just didn't like I called out the BS of my "temporary suspension" and how I didn't take it lying down. I expected this from you video. You are truly spineless when it comes these things. Didn't you personally complain to me not even a week ago about something Robin said about you or whatever? You leech on to the most powerful person in the server until you get what you want. It's unsurprising that you are loyal to Panther considering you did the same thing when Scutix tried to cause instability. Hopefully, the corruption and hypocrisy in this server get cleaned out soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 23:00:20 GMT
Sorry the suspension was authorized by me. Now we can sit here and bicker and point fingers. We're all at fault here on this one. I've told you already that I was going to suspend people if the harassment didn't stop and you went on what appears to be mocking me. Now, I know how this works, it's never going to end, so im going to end it here.
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