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Post by Panther on Dec 15, 2019 23:12:31 GMT
In WorldEdit, there are blocks that OPs are banned from using, such as sand, diamond blocks, iron blocks, water, lava, etc. These blocks are disabled for reasons, some of which are still relevant. That said, there's still an issue with blocking these blocks from use. Any OP can just place the blocks themselves, and if they want to use WorldEdit with the blocks, they just use //copy and //paste to duplicate or move those blocks around. You end up with the same problems you started with that caused the blocks to be banned from WorldEdit in the first place. In addition to this, there has been a disconnect between blocks that couldn't be logged previously being able to be logged because of CoreProtect and the enabling of their use in WorldEdit. Two examples of this are water and lava - there is absolutely no reason why they should be blocked. I suggest that all blocks be unblocked from WorldEdit, because even if those blocks can cause problems, people just re-create the problems with //copy and //paste anyway.
TL;DR: We should allow ops to use all blocks in Worldedit, since they can paste them in anyway, and we have CoreProtect so most blocks that couldn't be logged before can be now.
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Post by 97 on Dec 15, 2019 23:17:25 GMT
In WorldEdit, there are blocks that OPs are banned from using, such as sand, diamond blocks, iron blocks, water, lava, etc. These blocks are disabled for reasons, some of which are still relevant. That said, there's still an issue with blocking these blocks from use. Any OP can just place the blocks themselves, and if they want to use WorldEdit with the blocks, they just use //copy and //paste to duplicate or move those blocks around. You end up with the same problems you started with that caused the blocks to be banned from WorldEdit in the first place. In addition to this, there has been a disconnect between blocks that couldn't be logged previously being able to be logged because of CoreProtect and the enabling of their use in WorldEdit. Two examples of this are water and lava - there is absolutely no reason why they should be blocked. I suggest that all blocks be unblocked from WorldEdit, because even if those blocks can cause problems, people just re-create the problems with //copy and //paste anyway. Good point, not to be too bashful but me and possibly other people might think you're overthinking this a bit too much. I think there could be some sort of patch to this, for example making these sorts of blocks not being able to be copied/pasted. I'm not sure if TFM can do that though. I understand your point though. |
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Post by super on Dec 16, 2019 1:20:39 GMT
i completely agree that water and lava should be unblocked. could someone tell me why they were blocked in the first place?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Dec 16, 2019 1:27:00 GMT
I agree. I don't understand how this isn't common sense that people have understood for several years, it's better to limit the quantity of certain blocks than to limit them entirely.
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Post by Simpson_Manor on Dec 16, 2019 8:50:52 GMT
i completely agree that water and lava should be unblocked. could someone tell me why they were blocked in the first place? Maybe thats because to avoid W/E grief, i don't remember in the past since i joined the server in Feb 2018 for the first time. For example, looking at this ol 2012 video: youtu.be/rLz80icEBmc?t=104. We can see someone is griefing buildings with the lava around the town and thats a only clue why it was blocked in the first place. |
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Post by _Windows on Dec 16, 2019 12:49:14 GMT
i completely agree that water and lava should be unblocked. could someone tell me why they were blocked in the first place? Maybe thats because to avoid W/E grief, i don't remember in the past since i joined the server in Feb 2018 for the first time. For example, looking at this ol 2012 video: youtu.be/rLz80icEBmc?t=104. We can see someone is griefing buildings with the lava around the town and thats a only clue why it was blocked in the first place. Griefing isnt a good reason though. People can and do grief with all other block types too. |
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Post by Panther on Dec 16, 2019 16:38:55 GMT
i completely agree that water and lava should be unblocked. could someone tell me why they were blocked in the first place? Maybe thats because to avoid W/E grief, i don't remember in the past since i joined the server in Feb 2018 for the first time. For example, looking at this ol 2012 video: youtu.be/rLz80icEBmc?t=104. We can see someone is griefing buildings with the lava around the town and thats a only clue why it was blocked in the first place. In 2012, the server didn't have CoreProtect, so admins had a hard time logging blocks like lava and water. We have CoreProtect now, so this should no longer be an issue. |
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Post by Lykhant on Dec 16, 2019 16:54:48 GMT
And there's also the even easier method:
Select a block of sand with the W/E wand.
//copy
//set #clipboard
This allows anyone to place any block, including banned blocks, in bigger quantities. That is, in fact, how I used to set water, I selected a block, placed ice in it and melted it. //set clipboard allows anyone to bypass the W/E block restriction. Or at least it used to, correct me if the situation doesn't apply to this version.
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Post by _Windows on Dec 16, 2019 17:41:20 GMT
And there's also the even easier method: Select a block of sand with the W/E wand. //copy //set #clipboard This allows anyone to place any block, including banned blocks, in bigger quantities. That is, in fact, how I used to set water, I selected a block, placed ice in it and melted it. //set clipboard allows anyone to bypass the W/E block restriction. Or at least it used to, correct me if the situation doesn't apply to this version. #copy and #cb/#clipboard got blocked for ops I'm pretty sure. However, for water (and lava) ops can use a dispenser then //stack the lava to fill in what they want to fill in. If they want to only replace air with the lava, then they can do //gmask 0. This is a good building technique, and if someone griefs with it, it'll be logged so there's no need to block using lava and water this way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 22:22:43 GMT
I think that this is something we should do, i ok with unblocking most if not all blocked blocks
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Post by _Windows on Dec 17, 2019 20:05:03 GMT
I think that this is something we should do, i ok with unblocking most if not all blocked blocks Only the blocks that have special placement requirements, or are rather laggy should be blocked IMO. |
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Post by Wild1145 on Dec 17, 2019 20:26:13 GMT
Fairly sure the original way TF-WorldEdit was implemented did block checking on the copy and paste as well, or am I mis-remembering that?
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