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Post by zeseryu on Nov 9, 2019 23:10:49 GMT
I find it funny how you mention future proofing when AMD's business model is short-term, present successes, whereas NVIDIA's entire business model is based around future proofing. NVIDIA employs top mathematicians to discover every day new ways to optimize their GPUs in a way which will be more significant in the future instead of worrying about what we expect for high performance today. Except you can't even argue that AMD is currently faster than NVIDIA when considering that their top performance GPUs beat out AMD's. All of AMD's present successes are things that they could have done a decade ago, but they chose not to do it, and in the future they will pay the price when they find themselves unable to innovate whereas NVIDIA has already been innovating for the future for many years. This also applies to their CPUs, while AMD is miniaturizing their die size they're going to pay the price in the future when they find themselves unable to innovate their CPUs and further miniaturize them, Intel is focusing more on how to innovate past Moore's law through actual science instead of working around it for temporary gains. The point is that AMD is doing temporary things to boost their own stock shares in the present while their competitors are actually innovating for future technology, which will drastically hurt them later on. So yes, NVIDIA is definitely a safe bet for future proofing, and it is objectively high performance. is this a copypasta
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Post by square on Nov 9, 2019 23:17:05 GMT
I find it funny how you mention future proofing when AMD's business model is short-term, present successes, whereas NVIDIA's entire business model is based around future proofing. NVIDIA employs top mathematicians to discover every day new ways to optimize their GPUs in a way which will be more significant in the future instead of worrying about what we expect for high performance today. Except you can't even argue that AMD is currently faster than NVIDIA when considering that their top performance GPUs beat out AMD's. All of AMD's present successes are things that they could have done a decade ago, but they chose not to do it, and in the future they will pay the price when they find themselves unable to innovate whereas NVIDIA has already been innovating for the future for many years. This also applies to their CPUs, while AMD is miniaturizing their die size they're going to pay the price in the future when they find themselves unable to innovate their CPUs and further miniaturize them, Intel is focusing more on how to innovate past Moore's law through actual science instead of working around it for temporary gains. The point is that AMD is doing temporary things to boost their own stock shares in the present while their competitors are actually innovating for future technology, which will drastically hurt them later on. So yes, NVIDIA is definitely a safe bet for future proofing, and it is objectively high performance. is this a copypasta kek futureproofing as in I would be able to use its for many new games due to the performance it has objectively better FPS than any other gpu for the same price in the market, and it doesn’t matter if amd has a “bad business model” all I want is a gpu, and neither amd or nvidia (excluding the claims against nvidia) are going to nerf my gpu with drivers 3 years down the line also did you see any of the benchmarks? the 5700 xt is clearly better. also I don’t care about their stock shares or cpus lmao
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Nov 9, 2019 23:25:39 GMT
Post by StevenNL2000 on Nov 9, 2019 23:25:39 GMT
I find it funny how you mention future proofing when AMD's business model is short-term, present successes, whereas NVIDIA's entire business model is based around future proofing. NVIDIA employs top mathematicians to discover every day new ways to optimize their GPUs in a way which will be more significant in the future instead of worrying about what we expect for high performance today. Except you can't even argue that AMD is currently faster than NVIDIA when considering that their top performance GPUs beat out AMD's. All of AMD's present successes are things that they could have done a decade ago, but they chose not to do it, and in the future they will pay the price when they find themselves unable to innovate whereas NVIDIA has already been innovating for the future for many years. This also applies to their CPUs, while AMD is miniaturizing their die size they're going to pay the price in the future when they find themselves unable to innovate their CPUs and further miniaturize them, Intel is focusing more on how to innovate past Moore's law through actual science instead of working around it for temporary gains. The point is that AMD is doing temporary things to boost their own stock shares in the present while their competitors are actually innovating for future technology, which will drastically hurt them later on. So yes, NVIDIA is definitely a safe bet for future proofing, and it is objectively high performance. How is any of this relevant? You're acting as if going with an NVIDIA card means a top mathematician will come to your house in 5 years and upgrade your existing card. Nobody cares whether AMD's profits rise or drop 5 years from now.
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Nov 10, 2019 0:13:57 GMT
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Nov 10, 2019 0:13:57 GMT
I find it funny how you mention future proofing when AMD's business model is short-term, present successes, whereas NVIDIA's entire business model is based around future proofing. NVIDIA employs top mathematicians to discover every day new ways to optimize their GPUs in a way which will be more significant in the future instead of worrying about what we expect for high performance today. Except you can't even argue that AMD is currently faster than NVIDIA when considering that their top performance GPUs beat out AMD's. All of AMD's present successes are things that they could have done a decade ago, but they chose not to do it, and in the future they will pay the price when they find themselves unable to innovate whereas NVIDIA has already been innovating for the future for many years. This also applies to their CPUs, while AMD is miniaturizing their die size they're going to pay the price in the future when they find themselves unable to innovate their CPUs and further miniaturize them, Intel is focusing more on how to innovate past Moore's law through actual science instead of working around it for temporary gains. The point is that AMD is doing temporary things to boost their own stock shares in the present while their competitors are actually innovating for future technology, which will drastically hurt them later on. So yes, NVIDIA is definitely a safe bet for future proofing, and it is objectively high performance. How is any of this relevant? You're acting as if going with an NVIDIA card means a top mathematician will come to your house in 5 years and upgrade your existing card. Nobody cares whether AMD's profits rise or drop 5 years from now. You seem to have missed the point entirely. It's not about the hardware being upgraded in 5 years, the point is that the hardware that is currently being made is made to be more efficient years from now than it is right at this moment, the best example of this is the RTX 2080. My point was that AMD is ditching innovation and instead focusing on making temporary gains for right THIS MOMENT, whereas NVIDIA is innovating for the future which means that buying a GPU from them means that you not only get the high performance, but it may even be better in the future with optimizations to technology. That's what NVIDIA is doing with future proofing, and I was trying to demonstrate that by even saying that NVIDIA will be doing better in the future because of this business model, it's just better to go with NVIDIA if you care about future proofing and high performance.
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Nov 10, 2019 0:20:09 GMT
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Nov 10, 2019 0:20:09 GMT
kek futureproofing as in I would be able to use its for many new games due to the performance it has objectively better FPS than any other gpu for the same price in the market, and it doesn’t matter if amd has a “bad business model” all I want is a gpu, and neither amd or nvidia (excluding the claims against nvidia) are going to nerf my gpu with drivers 3 years down the line also did you see any of the benchmarks? the 5700 xt is clearly better. also I don’t care about their stock shares or cpus lmao I don't think you know what future proofing means. NVIDIA is currently optimizing their GPUs for what new games will be using in the future, whereas AMD is focusing on what games are doing right now, meaning that NVIDIA will be MUCH more valuable in the future and an RTX 2080 will be more relevant then than it is now, making it a very safe option. The only point where you see AMD Radeon beating NVIDIA GeForce is when price is thrown into the mix, which is AMD's only strong point right now but the way capitalism works is that demand = higher prices. NVIDIA and Intel are high in demand, and AMD has been taking advantage of that by drastically reducing costs of their less efficient hardware. The benchmarks also say that 2080 even under current technology is faster than the 5700 XT, and hell the price difference on that is negligible ($60) compared to what it could be.
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Post by square on Nov 10, 2019 0:37:08 GMT
kek futureproofing as in I would be able to use its for many new games due to the performance it has objectively better FPS than any other gpu for the same price in the market, and it doesn’t matter if amd has a “bad business model” all I want is a gpu, and neither amd or nvidia (excluding the claims against nvidia) are going to nerf my gpu with drivers 3 years down the line also did you see any of the benchmarks? the 5700 xt is clearly better. also I don’t care about their stock shares or cpus lmao I don't think you know what future proofing means. NVIDIA is currently optimizing their GPUs for what new games will be using in the future, whereas AMD is focusing on what games are doing right now, meaning that NVIDIA will be MUCH more valuable in the future and an RTX 2080 will be more relevant then than it is now, making it a very safe option. The only point where you see AMD Radeon beating NVIDIA GeForce is when price is thrown into the mix, which is AMD's only strong point right now but the way capitalism works is that demand = higher prices. NVIDIA and Intel are high in demand, and AMD has been taking advantage of that by drastically reducing costs of their less efficient hardware. The benchmarks also say that 2080 even under current technology is faster than the 5700 XT, and hell the price difference on that is negligible ($60) compared to what it could be. have you seen my thread? I have a budget. I do know a 2089 is better however im not buying a 2080. and the price should’ve been thrown into the mix a long bit ago since it was the reason for this thread having a good, relatively good price for fps gpu will be future proofing. it does not matter if nvidia or amd optimise games, I just need a good gpu for now in order to play future games.
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Nov 10, 2019 0:42:23 GMT
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Nov 10, 2019 0:42:23 GMT
I don't think you know what future proofing means. NVIDIA is currently optimizing their GPUs for what new games will be using in the future, whereas AMD is focusing on what games are doing right now, meaning that NVIDIA will be MUCH more valuable in the future and an RTX 2080 will be more relevant then than it is now, making it a very safe option. The only point where you see AMD Radeon beating NVIDIA GeForce is when price is thrown into the mix, which is AMD's only strong point right now but the way capitalism works is that demand = higher prices. NVIDIA and Intel are high in demand, and AMD has been taking advantage of that by drastically reducing costs of their less efficient hardware. The benchmarks also say that 2080 even under current technology is faster than the 5700 XT, and hell the price difference on that is negligible ($60) compared to what it could be. have you seen my thread? I have a budget. I do know a 2089 is better however im not buying a 2080. and the price should’ve been thrown into the mix a long bit ago since it was the reason for this thread A 2070 which fits into your budget about as well as a 5700 XT will be better for future proofing than the 5700 XT, meaning it has a higher likelihood of being more useful and higher performance in the future than the 5700 XT will be. That's the nice thing about NVIDIA GPUs, you can use a high performance one for several years before it should realistically be replaced.
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Post by square on Nov 10, 2019 0:54:05 GMT
have you seen my thread? I have a budget. I do know a 2089 is better however im not buying a 2080. and the price should’ve been thrown into the mix a long bit ago since it was the reason for this thread A 2070 which fits into your budget about as well as a 5700 XT will be better for future proofing than the 5700 XT, meaning it has a higher likelihood of being more useful and higher performance in the future than the 5700 XT will be. That's the nice thing about NVIDIA GPUs, you can use a high performance one for several years before it should realistically be replaced. i’d rather not pay £50 more just for nvidia for less peformance
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Nov 10, 2019 1:40:15 GMT
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Nov 10, 2019 1:40:15 GMT
A 2070 which fits into your budget about as well as a 5700 XT will be better for future proofing than the 5700 XT, meaning it has a higher likelihood of being more useful and higher performance in the future than the 5700 XT will be. That's the nice thing about NVIDIA GPUs, you can use a high performance one for several years before it should realistically be replaced. i’d rather not pay £50 more just for nvidia for less peformance You yourself stated that future proofing was what you wanted in a GPU, and I explained to you how a 2070 is better for future proofing regardless of what games right now are optimized for if your goal is to look for what games will want 5 years from now. If you want to buy a new GPU a few years from now, go right ahead and buy the 5700 XT.
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Post by Fleek on Nov 10, 2019 2:06:09 GMT
A 2070 which fits into your budget about as well as a 5700 XT will be better for future proofing than the 5700 XT, meaning it has a higher likelihood of being more useful and higher performance in the future than the 5700 XT will be. That's the nice thing about NVIDIA GPUs, you can use a high performance one for several years before it should realistically be replaced. i’d rather not pay £50 more just for nvidia for less peformance There’s not not much difference in performance between a 2070 and a 5700 XT.
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Post by square on Nov 10, 2019 11:13:32 GMT
i’d rather not pay £50 more just for nvidia for less peformance There’s not not much difference in performance between a 2070 and a 5700 XT. but there is a difference in cost
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Post by square on Nov 10, 2019 11:23:59 GMT
i’d rather not pay £50 more just for nvidia for less peformance You yourself stated that future proofing was what you wanted in a GPU, and I explained to you how a 2070 is better for future proofing regardless of what games right now are optimized for if your goal is to look for what games will want 5 years from now. If you want to buy a new GPU a few years from now, go right ahead and buy the 5700 XT. alright let me break this down: 1) 5700 XT currently is cheaper and is equivalent to a 2070 (£50-£100 cheaper).
2) 5700 XT currently has great fps for 1080p currently, however if i shell out £100 more (over my budget) for a graphics card - nvidia will optimise games for it whereas amd won't? despite this, my definition of "future proofing" doesn't really need nvidia or amd to optimise their games. i just need a current good graphics card which will do well in the future, and i can upgrade to nvidia in 5-10 years.
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Nov 10, 2019 20:05:22 GMT
Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Nov 10, 2019 20:05:22 GMT
You yourself stated that future proofing was what you wanted in a GPU, and I explained to you how a 2070 is better for future proofing regardless of what games right now are optimized for if your goal is to look for what games will want 5 years from now. If you want to buy a new GPU a few years from now, go right ahead and buy the 5700 XT. alright let me break this down: 1) 5700 XT currently is cheaper and is equivalent to a 2070 (£50-£100 cheaper).
2) 5700 XT currently has great fps for 1080p currently, however if i shell out £100 more (over my budget) for a graphics card - nvidia will optimise games for it whereas amd won't? despite this, my definition of "future proofing" doesn't really need nvidia or amd to optimise their games. i just need a current good graphics card which will do well in the future, and i can upgrade to nvidia in 5-10 years.2 is correct except it's more like $60 than more than $100, that would be a 2080 which is over $100. If you want a current good graphics card which will do well in the future, then the 2070 will be more valuable 5 years from now whereas the 5700 XT will have been forgotten and replaced since that's what AMD's business model is. If you upgrade to NVIDIA in 5-10 years, it would probably be more expensive.
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Post by square on Nov 10, 2019 21:33:43 GMT
alright let me break this down: 1) 5700 XT currently is cheaper and is equivalent to a 2070 (£50-£100 cheaper).
2) 5700 XT currently has great fps for 1080p currently, however if i shell out £100 more (over my budget) for a graphics card - nvidia will optimise games for it whereas amd won't? despite this, my definition of "future proofing" doesn't really need nvidia or amd to optimise their games. i just need a current good graphics card which will do well in the future, and i can upgrade to nvidia in 5-10 years.2 is correct except it's more like $60 than more than $100, that would be a 2080 which is over $100. If you want a current good graphics card which will do well in the future, then the 2070 will be more valuable 5 years from now whereas the 5700 XT will have been forgotten and replaced since that's what AMD's business model is. If you upgrade to NVIDIA in 5-10 years, it would probably be more expensive. where i live, it’s £100 more. also many people recommend and acknowledge the existence of the 5700 xt (if that even matters). Unless a 2070 super/2080 comes out near the same price (£30 max) or maybe a 1080 TI (which in some games is better) in a year or so when I can afford the entire build and am starting to buy items) i’m sticking with the 5700. none of the “nvidia is better”/“but amd has a bad business model and not optimised for games” (despite it performing amazing in non-unreal engine games and great in the no -included) bullshit.
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