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Post by zeseryu on Sept 20, 2019 16:37:54 GMT
Build looks good, kept the psu certified but if you're paranoid of what Lemon said then yes go ahead and spend a couple extra bucks to get a higher rated psu Besides that everything is good ?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Sept 20, 2019 17:04:26 GMT
35% faster GPU is a percentage gathered from absolutely nothing, NVIDIA will always be better than AMD performance-wise. As for Intel, your point about a better multitasking performance is useless because single-threaded performance is more important than multi-threaded performance nowadays. Like I said, the benchmarks are only realistic in a world where every application & operating system factors in the maximum efficient usage of threads possible, which is almost never the case. Most applications tend not to use multi-threading at all, Intel has a speed advantage which is more realistic in terms of daily use of a computer. AMD can stack up cores, but that won't add up to realistic performance. You are not only being disingenuous by citing a benchmark as a reason to use AMD over Intel, but being completely wrong. It's also worth noting that in order for AMD to have the multiprocessing power it does it needs basically liquid cooling to keep temperatures down, which requires more money for less power than a basic Core i5 with an ordinary fan. Sure, you can always use AMD with a fan, but you're going to end up with a radiator. I told Fleek if he wants Intel his current build will do absolutely fine and that he just needs to swap the hard drive. In my experience the Ryzen 3,5,7 chipset is very good and competitive with Intel at a lower price. Also im not sure where you got that you need liquid cooling. Im running a 2600 with a slight oc ith a stock cooler and temps are fine. Fleek can go Intel and not be able to afford the significantly better GPU, while getting roughly the same experience. If he wants pure performance on a single task then yes Intel is the way to but with fleeks budget there's simply no reason to when he's looking to play video games which more rely on GPU power. You can play video games just fine with as little as a GTX 1050, you can't argue GPU power then go with the Radeon when NVIDIA has always been more powerful.
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Post by zeseryu on Sept 20, 2019 17:30:22 GMT
I told Fleek if he wants Intel his current build will do absolutely fine and that he just needs to swap the hard drive. In my experience the Ryzen 3,5,7 chipset is very good and competitive with Intel at a lower price. Also im not sure where you got that you need liquid cooling. Im running a 2600 with a slight oc ith a stock cooler and temps are fine. Fleek can go Intel and not be able to afford the significantly better GPU, while getting roughly the same experience. If he wants pure performance on a single task then yes Intel is the way to but with fleeks budget there's simply no reason to when he's looking to play video games which more rely on GPU power. You can play video games just fine with as little as a GTX 1050, you can't argue GPU power then go with the Radeon when NVIDIA has always been more powerful. When have i said go with an AMD gpu? My build has a 2070/ 2070 Super which is Nvidia.
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 22:33:17 GMT
You may want to consider having a friend in the United States buy the components and mail them to you. However, you must consider the weight (for example, 3lb costs ~155.11 AUD for a large container) of things and you must truly trust your friends and you might have to worry about international transfer fees (i.e. 2.5% with PayPal). It's a lot of math but something you can do easily. Amazon posts will include the weight of items and postcalc.usps.com will inform you of the shipping costs. Something things you probably won't want to buy through the States: motherboard, HDD*, GPU. Somethings that MIGHT be fine: CPU, RAM, and SSD. PSU might be economically, it isn't a sensitive competent but may be heavy. *HDD is probably too dangerous to ship... I've done it before but it was from the United States to Uruguay and was an external WD 1TB Elements drive. REMEMBER, KEEP ITEMS IN ESD BAGS!!!I’m pretty sure that all parts are within Australia but I’ll check to make sure they are.
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Post by Fleek on Sept 21, 2019 1:21:20 GMT
I’m pretty sure that all parts are within Australia but I’ll check to make sure they are. The prices are much higher in Australia, that's why I said that. The United States is overall a cheap market where things are quick and accessible. Not so much the case in Canada. I know I pay for things, on average, about 5-10% more when in Canada than compared to the United States. I understand however I prefer to pay for stuff within Australia (quicker shipping).
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Post by Super on Sept 21, 2019 20:17:11 GMT
---CPU--- cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3939vs3955Going intel you get 6 cores 6 threads, AMD 6 cores 12 threads. You're only losing about 6% single task effective speed in exchange for a much better multitasking performance and 35% faster GPU A thread is a particular process or set of instructions that a program needs to get processed. Each thread is handled by a CPU core. By creating a program that can divide it's individual tasks in multiple threads (multi-threading) they can take advantage of a multi-core CPU and run more efficiency 35% faster GPU is a percentage gathered from absolutely nothing, NVIDIA will always be better than AMD performance-wise. As for Intel, your point about a better multitasking performance is useless because single-threaded performance is more important than multi-threaded performance nowadays. Like I said, the benchmarks are only realistic in a world where every application & operating system factors in the maximum efficient usage of threads possible, which is almost never the case. Most applications tend not to use multi-threading at all, Intel has a speed advantage which is more realistic in terms of daily use of a computer. AMD can stack up cores, but that won't add up to realistic performance. You are not only being disingenuous by citing a benchmark as a reason to use AMD over Intel, but being completely wrong. It's also worth noting that in order for AMD to have the multiprocessing power it does it needs basically liquid cooling to keep temperatures down, which requires more money for less power than a basic Core i5 with an ordinary fan. Sure, you can always use AMD with a fan, but you're going to end up with a radiator. AMD is not as bad as you're saying it is. Sure, it's generally behind Intel and Nvidia in terms of gaming, but the difference usually isn't big enough to complain about, and there are even a handful of games that AMD wins. Even though AMD generally didn't win with their new products, they still managed to send a pretty good wake-up call to their competitors (especially Intel). To see what I mean, you can look at how Intel was selling their CPUs before AMD released Ryzen and lit a fire under Intel's ass.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Sept 21, 2019 20:34:55 GMT
35% faster GPU is a percentage gathered from absolutely nothing, NVIDIA will always be better than AMD performance-wise. As for Intel, your point about a better multitasking performance is useless because single-threaded performance is more important than multi-threaded performance nowadays. Like I said, the benchmarks are only realistic in a world where every application & operating system factors in the maximum efficient usage of threads possible, which is almost never the case. Most applications tend not to use multi-threading at all, Intel has a speed advantage which is more realistic in terms of daily use of a computer. AMD can stack up cores, but that won't add up to realistic performance. You are not only being disingenuous by citing a benchmark as a reason to use AMD over Intel, but being completely wrong. It's also worth noting that in order for AMD to have the multiprocessing power it does it needs basically liquid cooling to keep temperatures down, which requires more money for less power than a basic Core i5 with an ordinary fan. Sure, you can always use AMD with a fan, but you're going to end up with a radiator. AMD is not as bad as you're saying it is. Sure, it's generally behind Intel and Nvidia in terms of gaming, but the difference usually isn't big enough to complain about, and there are even a handful of games that AMD wins. Even though AMD generally didn't win with their new products, they still managed to send a pretty good wake-up call to their competitors (especially Intel). To see what I mean, you can look at how Intel was selling their CPUs before AMD released Ryzen and lit a fire under Intel's ass. Yet Intel and NVIDIA are still ahead, even if Intel has problems they didn't have 8 years ago they are still doing better and more of a realistic option.
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Post by Super on Sept 22, 2019 17:36:16 GMT
AMD is not as bad as you're saying it is. Sure, it's generally behind Intel and Nvidia in terms of gaming, but the difference usually isn't big enough to complain about, and there are even a handful of games that AMD wins. Even though AMD generally didn't win with their new products, they still managed to send a pretty good wake-up call to their competitors (especially Intel). To see what I mean, you can look at how Intel was selling their CPUs before AMD released Ryzen and lit a fire under Intel's ass. Yet Intel and NVIDIA are still ahead, even if Intel has problems they didn't have 8 years ago they are still doing better and more of a realistic option.Even if Intel and NVidia generally get higher framerates than AMD, it won't mean anything if the monitor doesn't have the refresh rate to push the frames fast enough.
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Post by Fleek on Jan 16, 2020 8:12:39 GMT
I ordered my parts last week and got them yesterday. I already put together the PC (although I ran into some complications) and everything seems to be working quite well.
I'll send some pictures soon but right now I'm busy installing stuff and having fun with it.
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