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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Sept 19, 2019 4:42:20 GMT
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Post by Video on Sept 19, 2019 21:36:16 GMT
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Post by Super on Sept 20, 2019 0:53:54 GMT
Getting back on topic, the build that you have going is pretty good, but if you could find a cheaper model of water cooler (I've had a good experience with my current Cooler Master one), then you could possibly bump the graphics card up to a Radeon 5700 or RTX 2060.
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 6:08:14 GMT
Okay, now I have changed some stuff to fit in my close to my budget. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzyLrVLet me know if there are any parts are incompatible in my list.
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Post by zeseryu on Sept 20, 2019 8:53:44 GMT
Okay, now I have changed some stuff to fit in my close to my budget. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzyLrVLet me know if there are any parts are incompatible in my list. My original AU $1400 list will perform much better than this but if you insist on going intel then the PC you built is also fine. My only change would be to drop the crazy expensive hard drive for a much more reasonable one. Unless im missing something the one you picked should cost nowhere near $120 au.pcpartpicker.com/list/NLsv6R (updated hard drive) I'd still strongly suggest you go with AMD as you can save a little bit of money to put towards other parts, and you'll actually see an increase in performance. In this updated list I'll give you my recommended build still including the expensive ass case you picked au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JYNBDx (AMD 2070 build with case) ---------------REASONING---------------- ---CPU--- cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3939vs3955Going intel you get 6 cores 6 threads, AMD 6 cores 12 threads. You're only losing about 6% single task effective speed in exchange for a much better multitasking performance and 35% faster GPU A thread is a particular process or set of instructions that a program needs to get processed. Each thread is handled by a CPU core. By creating a program that can divide it's individual tasks in multiple threads (multi-threading) they can take advantage of a multi-core CPU and run more efficiency ---GPU--- gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4029vs4037The 2070 is 35% faster than the 1660ti, you'll on average get 18% more fps than going the 1660ti route. _______________________________ ************************SKS ULTIMATE SUGGESTION************************ Drop your expensive ass case. Use that money to upgrade your gpu even more. Go AMD because when you're on a budget its more reasonable than the Intel counterpart. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RcHnTC (2070 Super, less expensive case) ---GPU--- gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4048vs4037The 2070 SUPER is 53% faster than the 1660ti. You'll see an average increase of 33% FPS in games. gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/4048vs4029The 2070 SUPER is 13% faster than the 2070. You'll see an average increase of 10% FPS in games. IMO FPS and overall performance is much more important to me than aesthetics, but if you really like and want your current case then go ahead and keep it. Also not sure where you got that the 1660ti is much newer? than the 2070. Its about 5 months newer which is nothing and sacrificing 35% effective speed is just silly.
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Post by mibbzz on Sept 20, 2019 8:58:29 GMT
Okay, now I have changed some stuff to fit in my close to my budget. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzyLrVLet me know if there are any parts are incompatible in my list. Listen to SKS on this one my dude.
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 9:26:05 GMT
Okay, now I have changed some stuff to fit in my close to my budget. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzyLrVLet me know if there are any parts are incompatible in my list. ************************SKS ULTIMATE SUGGESTION************************ Drop your expensive ass case. Use that money to upgrade your gpu even more. Go AMD because when you're on a budget its more reasonable than the Intel counterpart. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RcHnTC (2070 Super, less expensive case) May I ask why you got the micro atx motherboard when the case is atx (mid tower)?
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Post by zeseryu on Sept 20, 2019 9:29:21 GMT
************************SKS ULTIMATE SUGGESTION************************ Drop your expensive ass case. Use that money to upgrade your gpu even more. Go AMD because when you're on a budget its more reasonable than the Intel counterpart. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RcHnTC (2070 Super, less expensive case) May I ask why you got the micro atx motherboard when the case is atx (mid tower)? Micro ATX is usually a couple bucks cheaper and perform the same as a ATX board. But really its picking at straws, you could just swap it out for a ATX board and it would also be good
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 9:38:52 GMT
May I ask why you got the micro atx motherboard when the case is atx (mid tower)? Micro ATX is usually a couple bucks cheaper and perform the same as a ATX board. But really its picking at straws, you could just swap it out for a ATX board and it would also be good Ah, I'm just making a couple changes to your recommended one, everything is the same just a cheaper psu with same watts, downgrading gpu to 2070 (not super) and changing the motherboard to support wifi. I'll post the link soon for you to see if it's any good.
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Post by Lemon on Sept 20, 2019 9:44:50 GMT
Micro ATX is usually a couple bucks cheaper and perform the same as a ATX board. But really its picking at straws, you could just swap it out for a ATX board and it would also be good Ah, I'm just making a couple changes to your recommended one, everything is the same just a cheaper psu with same watts, downgrading gpu to 2070 (not super) and changing the motherboard to support wifi. I'll post the link soon for you to see if it's any good. don't skimp on the psu- it can kill your build if you get a crappy one why downgrade the gpu from a super? also just get a wifi card if it costs that much to change the motherboard to include wifi
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 9:45:14 GMT
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Post by Fleek on Sept 20, 2019 9:50:45 GMT
Ah, I'm just making a couple changes to your recommended one, everything is the same just a cheaper psu with same watts, downgrading gpu to 2070 (not super) and changing the motherboard to support wifi. I'll post the link soon for you to see if it's any good. don't skimp on the psu- it can kill your build if you get a crappy one why downgrade the gpu from a super? also just get a wifi card if it costs that much to change the motherboard to include wifi I can change the psu back to what SKS had as I still a bit more money. The only reason I downgraded the gpu is because if I didn't, it will bring it to around about AU$1600 which I don't want - ~AU$1500 is the absolute maximum price. EDIT: Lemon just edited my list to change my SSD storage from 480GB to 512GB so new link: au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fKnNn7
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Sept 20, 2019 15:27:59 GMT
Okay, now I have changed some stuff to fit in my close to my budget. au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzyLrVLet me know if there are any parts are incompatible in my list. ---CPU--- cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3939vs3955Going intel you get 6 cores 6 threads, AMD 6 cores 12 threads. You're only losing about 6% single task effective speed in exchange for a much better multitasking performance and 35% faster GPU A thread is a particular process or set of instructions that a program needs to get processed. Each thread is handled by a CPU core. By creating a program that can divide it's individual tasks in multiple threads (multi-threading) they can take advantage of a multi-core CPU and run more efficiency 35% faster GPU is a percentage gathered from absolutely nothing, NVIDIA will always be better than AMD performance-wise. As for Intel, your point about a better multitasking performance is useless because single-threaded performance is more important than multi-threaded performance nowadays. Like I said, the benchmarks are only realistic in a world where every application & operating system factors in the maximum efficient usage of threads possible, which is almost never the case. Most applications tend not to use multi-threading at all, Intel has a speed advantage which is more realistic in terms of daily use of a computer. AMD can stack up cores, but that won't add up to realistic performance. You are not only being disingenuous by citing a benchmark as a reason to use AMD over Intel, but being completely wrong. It's also worth noting that in order for AMD to have the multiprocessing power it does it needs basically liquid cooling to keep temperatures down, which requires more money for less power than a basic Core i5 with an ordinary fan. Sure, you can always use AMD with a fan, but you're going to end up with a radiator.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Sept 20, 2019 15:30:22 GMT
don't skimp on the psu- it can kill your build if you get a crappy one why downgrade the gpu from a super? also just get a wifi card if it costs that much to change the motherboard to include wifi I can change the psu back to what SKS had as I still a bit more money. The only reason I downgraded the gpu is because if I didn't, it will bring it to around about AU$1600 which I don't want - ~AU$1500 is the absolute maximum price. EDIT: Lemon just edited my list to change my SSD storage from 480GB to 512GB so new link: au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fKnNn7Your CPU/GPU choice is significantly slower than the Core i5 + NVIDIA combination. Most applications you use rely more on single-threaded performance, meaning they will be slower without the Intel CPU. Your GPU is also guaranteed to be slower.
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Post by zeseryu on Sept 20, 2019 16:28:44 GMT
---CPU--- cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3939vs3955Going intel you get 6 cores 6 threads, AMD 6 cores 12 threads. You're only losing about 6% single task effective speed in exchange for a much better multitasking performance and 35% faster GPU A thread is a particular process or set of instructions that a program needs to get processed. Each thread is handled by a CPU core. By creating a program that can divide it's individual tasks in multiple threads (multi-threading) they can take advantage of a multi-core CPU and run more efficiency 35% faster GPU is a percentage gathered from absolutely nothing, NVIDIA will always be better than AMD performance-wise. As for Intel, your point about a better multitasking performance is useless because single-threaded performance is more important than multi-threaded performance nowadays. Like I said, the benchmarks are only realistic in a world where every application & operating system factors in the maximum efficient usage of threads possible, which is almost never the case. Most applications tend not to use multi-threading at all, Intel has a speed advantage which is more realistic in terms of daily use of a computer. AMD can stack up cores, but that won't add up to realistic performance. You are not only being disingenuous by citing a benchmark as a reason to use AMD over Intel, but being completely wrong. It's also worth noting that in order for AMD to have the multiprocessing power it does it needs basically liquid cooling to keep temperatures down, which requires more money for less power than a basic Core i5 with an ordinary fan. Sure, you can always use AMD with a fan, but you're going to end up with a radiator. I told Fleek if he wants Intel his current build will do absolutely fine and that he just needs to swap the hard drive. In my experience the Ryzen 3,5,7 chipset is very good and competitive with Intel at a lower price. Also im not sure where you got that you need liquid cooling. Im running a 2600 with a slight oc ith a stock cooler and temps are fine. Fleek can go Intel and not be able to afford the significantly better GPU, while getting roughly the same experience. If he wants pure performance on a single task then yes Intel is the way to but with fleeks budget there's simply no reason to when he's looking to play video games which more rely on GPU power.
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