Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Aug 13, 2019 20:31:01 GMT
The following MB policies will be changed: By not allowing voting, the ECD single handedly has the power to approve or deny applicants as he pleases. As seen in the last two apps, there is a clear bias in the way MBs are handled. For example, when this player applied with a few pictures of average builds, he was immediately approved. Yet, in Kai's application, she was scrutinized for adding Shaders and was forced to remove them as well was include multiple more images of her builds. Additionally, voting is the way almost everything occurs on TF. From Super Admins to Execs and the Owner, all positions are voted on by the community, and I don't see why MB is any different. The MBs represent TotalFreedom, not a single person (the ECD), and should thus be voted on. This policy creates a system of micromanagement that is unneeded and quite honestly a little dictatorial. The ECD can assign tasks to MBs, but phrasing it like this deters future MB applicants. A MB will always be preferred for the ECD role but it is not required.
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Post by Lionnco on Aug 13, 2019 20:45:34 GMT
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Luke
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Post by Luke on Aug 13, 2019 20:48:11 GMT
thank u
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Post by Darth on Aug 13, 2019 20:49:05 GMT
thank you. so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:50:53 GMT
How can you change a policy that is not under your jurisdiction? Who put you in charge of the MB team, because I am quite sure that you weren't voted in. If you want to change the policies that I have enacted, then perhaps you should apply instead of abusing your 'powers'?
"By not allowing voting, the ECD single handedly has the power to approve or deny applicants as he pleases. As seen in the last two apps, there is a clear bias in the way MBs are handled. For example, when this player applied with a few pictures of average builds, he was immediately approved. Yet, in Kai's application, she was scrutinized for adding Shaders and was forced to remove them as well was include multiple more images of her builds."
I made this change for the reason that people who had no skill or judgement on how to build were allowed to vote on a person's build. Give me a single case of me being biased against either of the two, because in case of the first applicant, I had seen all their ingame builds which were definitely up to par with anything we have now, but in the case of applicant number two I didn't even deny them them - I merely asked for more screenshots and screenshots with no shaders, so how the fuk am I being biased? You don't even know if I wanted to accept them or not. I also think it's quite unfair of you to say I scrutinized them for having shaders... My direct quote was: "Remove all the shaders from your pics" - yeah, I was definitely being a judgemental asshole towards Kai. (what a clear case of people taking every single criticism personally lmao)
Now that the ECD is no longer in charge of the MB team and it's policies I will officially resign from my position. Good luck to the next person.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Aug 13, 2019 20:55:40 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 20:59:08 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory. Because regular people should be able to decide if a build is up to par with the other MBs. You do realize that shaders instantly make a build look 10x better? Most regular players wouldn't count that in to their vote. I realize that this system is not perfect, but it's far superior to allowing just anybodt decide if a build is good or not. Perhaps it should be limited to MBs but that's it. I know this is rocky terrirtory, but I the best I can do for now is link to a conversation I had with the entirety of teh MB team on the matter: imgur.com/AOMuSBiimgur.com/g3gnwZEimgur.com/mlMaUHOimgur.com/ZE4A8kwimgur.com/ytmABVGimgur.com/uaP2H0vimgur.com/krpcftLIn case you think the MBs from that time have changed their minds, then we can just ask them (please take into account that a fraction of the MB team active now were acting MBs back then) xfilez Captainclimber RoboEx Again was this system perfect? No, but it beat the one we had before were people's voting records were so fucking abysmal - somebody would one day get accepted with a shitty square house because A) people liked them as a player or B) people don't have any clue as to what they're voting on. The next applicant would then be denied because A) people -didn't like them- or B) they don't have any clue as to what makes a good build. I won't list the applications that shouldn't have been accepted, because I don't think it's fair to directly call anybody out, but you can make it out for yourselves here: totalfreedom.boards.net/board/96/master-builder-applicationsI can this one as a single example, because the player has since been approved for MB. If you don't think these builds are up to par with MB standards, then you won't get many MBs. This is why the general community shouldn't be able to formally vote, merely voice their opinions and let either the MB team or the ECD decide. totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/59601/agentatom-mb-applicationThis is why I chose my policy: because this way we would actually have a consistent voting record on the matter from an experienced builder.
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Aug 13, 2019 20:59:56 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory. Because regular people should be able to decide if a build is up to par with the other MBs. You do realize that shaders instantly make a build look 10x better? Most regular players wouldn't count that in to their vote. I realize that this system is not perfect, but it's far superior to allowing just anybodt decide if a build is good or not. Perhaps it should be limited to MBs but that's it. That's why the new policy gives MB votes 2x the weight of normal votes. The MBs have the most power now, not just the ECD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:01:11 GMT
Because regular people should be able to decide if a build is up to par with the other MBs. You do realize that shaders instantly make a build look 10x better? Most regular players wouldn't count that in to their vote. I realize that this system is not perfect, but it's far superior to allowing just anybodt decide if a build is good or not. Perhaps it should be limited to MBs but that's it. That's why the new policy gives MB votes 2x the weight of normal votes. The MBs have the most power now, not just the ECD. How about you do you and let either the owner or the acting ECD decide the MB policies?
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Zaid
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Post by Zaid on Aug 13, 2019 21:01:13 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory. This change was approved by the owner.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Aug 13, 2019 21:01:21 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory. Because regular people should be able to decide if a build is up to par with the other MBs. You do realize that shaders instantly make a build look 10x better? Most regular players wouldn't count that in to their vote. I realize that this system is not perfect, but it's far superior to allowing just anybodt decide if a build is good or not. Perhaps it should be limited to MBs but that's it. The policy change Zaid posted has absolutely nothing to do with shaders. I'm in favor of everybody being allowed to vote and that doesn't just apply to master builders, and that's what this policy change is doing, so therefore I support it. I just think it's awkward for it to be done by the EAO unless the owner authorized it in which case it's okay.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Aug 13, 2019 21:01:40 GMT
I completely agree with the policy change outlined here, but I think this should've been coordinated with the ECD or done by the owner (unless this was approved by the owner in which case it's fine) because this is rocky jurisdiction territory. This change was approved by the owner. Sounds good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:27:53 GMT
Again, find me an example of me being biased and show it clearly instead of this vague substanceless critique.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:40:24 GMT
I would also like to mention, that according to the MB policy, the MB team will collectively vote for a replacement, meaning the election-thread is no longer to determain who is going to become the new ECD: "In the event of the resignation of the CD, the MB community will collectively vote for a replacement"
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Aug 13, 2019 21:41:43 GMT
I would also like to mention, that according to the MB policy, the MB team will collectively vote for a replacement, meaning the election-thread is no longer to determain who is going to become the new ECD: "In the event of the resignation of the CD, the MB community will collectively vote for a replacement" An election should definitely be held for the position as it is for all other executive positions.
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