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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 1:48:25 GMT
Alright so I'm being asked these questions: Are you going to have any new forum mods? If there are going to be new forum mods, are they going to be elected or appointed? What will merit new forum mods?
Let me answer the first one: Yes, there will be forum mods.
The 2nd: This will be up to you, the poll will decide how they will be added, BUT. Please keep this in mind: These new forum moderators will not hold any executive power. They are only forum moderators. They will have their own group with their own color and group image. Therefore, I should just be allowed to appoint them myself, if you can't trust me to appoint forum mods, why did you trust me to lead the community?
The 3rd: Currently Cow left, this opens up a position for a forum moderator. If I remove any inactive forum staff, that'll open up a position for a forum moderator, and more might open up soon.
Also, anyone with a red name currently is a forum admin, and anyone with whatever color I decide for forum mod is a forum mod.
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Post by serrif on Feb 11, 2019 1:55:58 GMT
What I don't understand is that Cow was a forum admin. You're appointing someone to replace him but also demoting them at the same time?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 11, 2019 2:25:51 GMT
Forum moderator, even if not forum admin, is still a position that theoretically would allow censorship of content. Therefore, it would probably be best for the position to be elected, even if not executive. Every other position is technically elected, why have this be any different?
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Post by serrif on Feb 11, 2019 2:34:37 GMT
Forum moderator, even if not forum admin, is still a position that theoretically would allow censorship of content. Therefore, it would probably be best for the position to be elected, even if not executive. Every other position is technically elected, why have this be any different? My method of thinking is that since the owner is picking them, and we picked the owner they should be making good picks. Why would we elect a new owner if we didn't believe they'd make these sorts of changes for the best interest of the server?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 2:37:14 GMT
Forum moderator, even if not forum admin, is still a position that theoretically would allow censorship of content. Therefore, it would probably be best for the position to be elected, even if not executive. Every other position is technically elected, why have this be any different? My method of thinking is that since the owner is picking them, and we picked the owner they should be making good picks. Why would we elect a new owner if we didn't believe they'd make these sorts of changes for the best interest of the server? If a forum moderator decides to censor dumb things I will remove them in a heart beat.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 11, 2019 2:50:15 GMT
Forum moderator, even if not forum admin, is still a position that theoretically would allow censorship of content. Therefore, it would probably be best for the position to be elected, even if not executive. Every other position is technically elected, why have this be any different? My method of thinking is that since the owner is picking them, and we picked the owner they should be making good picks. Why would we elect a new owner if we didn't believe they'd make these sorts of changes for the best interest of the server? Would you using the same logic say that we shouldn't be electing executives and senior admins at all then, and go back to how everything was ran in 2011?
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 11, 2019 2:56:34 GMT
My method of thinking is that since the owner is picking them, and we picked the owner they should be making good picks. Why would we elect a new owner if we didn't believe they'd make these sorts of changes for the best interest of the server? If a forum moderator decides to censor dumb things I will remove them in a heart beat. I agree with your judgment but the logic we're applying to this contradicts the logic we're applying to everything else. It sets a precedence question on if we want to trust the owner in power to make all of these decisions without vote. Similar logic would be, you elected the President, so why can't he hand-pick the Congresspeople?
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Post by serrif on Feb 11, 2019 2:58:49 GMT
My method of thinking is that since the owner is picking them, and we picked the owner they should be making good picks. Why would we elect a new owner if we didn't believe they'd make these sorts of changes for the best interest of the server? Would you using the same logic say that we shouldn't be electing executives and senior admins at all then, and go back to how everything was ran in 2011? yes- i think executives should be picked by the owner, too. in my opinion it just causes instability and electing the owner only will ensure they pick better candidates and not just candidates that will win the election
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 3:05:43 GMT
If a forum moderator decides to censor dumb things I will remove them in a heart beat. I agree with your judgment but the logic we're applying to this contradicts the logic we're applying to everything else. It sets a precedence question on if we want to trust the owner in power to make all of these decisions without vote. Similar logic would be, you elected the President, so why can't he hand-pick the Congresspeople? Because the people in congress together have the power to pass bills and having the president appoint them means the president can appoint people to ensure every thing he wants is passed. That can occur because it ensures that whatever the president wanted passed will pass because they will go along with whatever he says. However in this case, the forum mods hold no power to do that, and their only power is to take appropriate action on reported posts, clear spam, and enforce the forum rules. Electing them would be trivial and unnecessary.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 11, 2019 3:11:13 GMT
I agree with your judgment but the logic we're applying to this contradicts the logic we're applying to everything else. It sets a precedence question on if we want to trust the owner in power to make all of these decisions without vote. Similar logic would be, you elected the President, so why can't he hand-pick the Congresspeople? Because the people in congress together have the power to pass bills and having the president appoint them means the president can appoint people to ensure every thing he wants is passed. That can occur because it ensures that whatever the president wanted passed will pass because they will go along with whatever he says. However in this case, the forum mods hold no power to do that, and their only power is to take appropriate action on reported posts, clear spam, and enforce the forum rules. Electing them would be trivial and unnecessary. But the President was elected, so if the president is popular enough to be elected, shouldn't he be able to hand-pick the Congresspeople that would otherwise be elected by the same people that elected the president? My problem with this is precedence given that *all* other positions are elected. Master builders are elected, super/telnet/telnet clan/senior admins are elected, executives are elected, the owner is elected, forum admins are elected (pretty sure they are at least). This to my knowledge would be the only position that would be hand-picked.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Feb 11, 2019 3:16:55 GMT
Would you using the same logic say that we shouldn't be electing executives and senior admins at all then, and go back to how everything was ran in 2011? yes- i think executives should be picked by the owner, too. in my opinion it just causes instability and electing the owner only will ensure they pick better candidates and not just candidates that will win the election This seems to differ from the attitude you had prior to Seth being elected. Given the fact that you are running as an executive right now, would you rather the owner have the ability to overlook you and pick someone else and you have no chance of becoming that position unless the owner liked you enough, or have a process where people can actually pick to elect you? I'm more curious on why you're suddenly thinking that we shouldn't have an election system for non-ownership positions. Would you say the same about admin applications? Why are you suddenly against the system that we've all been working towards for the past few months? I also see a logical error in the last part of your post. Your concern is that elected executives would result in candidates that just "will win the election", and that the owner would be able to pick better, quality candidates. However the owner would've been elected by the same people that would be electing the candidates, so with logical consistency not even the owner should be elected to ensure that we don't just get an owner that will win an election.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 3:21:07 GMT
Because the people in congress together have the power to pass bills and having the president appoint them means the president can appoint people to ensure every thing he wants is passed. That can occur because it ensures that whatever the president wanted passed will pass because they will go along with whatever he says. However in this case, the forum mods hold no power to do that, and their only power is to take appropriate action on reported posts, clear spam, and enforce the forum rules. Electing them would be trivial and unnecessary. But the President was elected, so if the president is popular enough to be elected, shouldn't he be able to hand-pick the Congresspeople that would otherwise be elected by the same people that elected the president? My problem with this is precedence given that *all* other positions are elected. Master builders are elected, super/telnet/telnet clan/senior admins are elected, executives are elected, the owner is elected, forum admins are elected (pretty sure they are at least). This to my knowledge would be the only position that would be hand-picked. Forum admins are not elected. None of the current forum admins were elected (hockey is not permanent, so I'm not counting him). I see where you are coming from this. I'm going to leave it to the people to decide if it should actually work that way, because I already made it. I still believe however they shouldn't have to be elected.
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Post by tozzit on Feb 11, 2019 5:04:34 GMT
The 2nd: This will be up to you, the poll will decide how they will be added, BUT. Please keep this in mind: These new forum moderators will not hold any executive power. They are only forum moderators. They will have their own group with their own color and group image. Therefore, I should just be allowed to appoint them myself, if you can't trust me to appoint forum mods, why did you trust me to lead the community? don't you mean you got elected to be owner and lead the community(by admins btw), not necessarily trusted but people trusted you more than other people, it doesn't even necessarily mean trust, it could mean qualification and at this point the forum is more active than the server lmao
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Post by Fleek on Feb 11, 2019 12:15:30 GMT
Guys, guys... This is not a political server.
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Post by super on Feb 11, 2019 12:40:39 GMT
i mean if rypadk is an exec ig anything is possible, so epic
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