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Post by mibbzz on Dec 1, 2018 2:19:35 GMT
I'd rather have a public conversation on the topic seeing as your comment implies there's evidence which would be critical in being able to give input on this thread accurately. Unless such evidence does exist, then the suspension itself was null and void because you have 0 facts to back up the suspension. It was a he-said, she-said situation to which you used your powers to unilaterally make a decision that Wilee was unable to argue against. The situation: Wilee used his senior privilege under the SPaS program to give admin to this user. The suspension: I cannot find a specific suspension thread, and I looked for a bit so I would love for someone to point it out if such a thread does exist, it was this specific post. As one can see by that post, it's using a "Note" from this thread which outlines the procedures for TPaS, SPaS and OPaS's, as the basis for the suspension. The problem here being the phrasing "If it's determined" to which I do not believe was established. The proof: Basically there was none at all. I think the vast majority of admins are unqualified before they get admin, and I would go with the easiest such example for me as being myself. I had just been taken off of the permban list a few days before being given admin, and in no right was I correctly qualified at that time but given the chance I took it and here I am almost 6 years onward. Now we compare that situation to the one in question where we have an individual that had been in trouble previously before the SPaS took place, and when questioned upon this issue Wilee gave a fair answer. In response to this you asserted a claim to which you can't possibly know the actual truth, unless there is some unreleased evidence such as logs, dm's, etc. | | --> Your interpretation of a situation is not conclusive to the point of determination (cause (something) to occur in a particular way; be the decisive factor in. 2. ascertain or establish exactly, typically as a result of research or calculation.) and is therefore null & void, ie; the suspension was and is invalid Furthermore you put upon Wilee an unprecedented burden to which has never been the standard. The policy, as previously linked, does not require Wilee to directly train him and by setting this as a standard you emplaced your own bias about the pick into the official process and therefore again nullified such an action (ie; suspension). In fact, it specifically states as much "or you can find another admin who volunteers to train the pick". Wilee did reach out to me and while I was inactive at that point I was unable to respond in a speedy manner, and by the time he would have went to ask another individual he had already been suspended. This alone, despite everything else outlined, displays a lack of due process and nullifies any such actions placing this thread itself moot as Wilee should not even be having to apply again for a rank that never should have been taken away in the first place. Information used: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/61280/spas-announcementtotalfreedom.boards.net/user/22657totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/61130/getoof-warning-requesttotalfreedom.boards.net/thread/35897/tpas-spas-super-program-policypuu.sh/CalM4/18f1d841e7.pngpuu.sh/CalMz/4df9a23355.pngpuu.sh/CalMY/38344fa204.pngpuu.sh/CalNt/8eb148c951.pngpuu.sh/CalNK/cac2b79835.pngI don't have to explain the reasons as the application and applicant was clearly a troll and given the number of complaints I got I made a decision with the information I had at the time. I know you want everything to be a big revelation or something but if you had concerns you or literally anybody else should have voiced them. I've said it too many times but I can't fix what I don't know of. But you can suspend someone on the premise of what you don't know? This suspension was entirely based on conjecture on your point. That makes literally no sense, and had I not been in the middle of nowhere at the time I would have voiced my opinion on the situation. Your argument here makes literally no sense though, you're saying that because a wrong may have happened in the past there's no point in fixing a mistake because "oh well that's in the past"? If someone goes to jail for a murder they didn't commit and a few months later it's shown the evidence on which they were convicted was null & void, then we should simply let them rot in jail because a decision was made at the time? That is an utterly insane position for you to hold and I would have expected more from the lead executive. This server is called total freedom and that very ideal you're espousing goes wholly against the very meaning of freedom. Do you think that just because a large amount of people complain about something that, that in turn means it must be acted upon? If the majority of people in the US think they should Nuke North Korea, do you think the government should exact that because "oh well the majority". You're deflecting blame from yourself for an action that you carried out, others can talk about something but you're the one that launched that nuke not the individuals who complained. How can you sit here and say "I don't have to explain the reasons" when this thread is literally about should he be let back as an admin or not? You think the community here should make a decision without being told the actual reasoning behind that decision? That's so fucking stupid I don't even know what else to say. And finally nice personal attack that was uncalled for and is dumb as bricks. If I wanted everything to be a revelation then I wouldn't be on a minecraft server my dude. What I do see is a blatant disregard for the rules of this server unilaterally carried out by you and I'm gonna call it as I see it. |
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Post by inFAmas97 on Dec 1, 2018 3:06:33 GMT
I don't have to explain the reasons as the application and applicant was clearly a troll and given the number of complaints I got I made a decision with the information I had at the time. I know you want everything to be a big revelation or something but if you had concerns you or literally anybody else should have voiced them. I've said it too many times but I can't fix what I don't know of. But you can suspend someone on the premise of what you don't know? This suspension was entirely based on conjecture on your point. That makes literally no sense, and had I not been in the middle of nowhere at the time I would have voiced my opinion on the situation. Your argument here makes literally no sense though, you're saying that because a wrong may have happened in the past there's no point in fixing a mistake because "oh well that's in the past"? If someone goes to jail for a murder they didn't commit and a few months later it's shown the evidence on which they were convicted was null & void, then we should simply let them rot in jail because a decision was made at the time? That is an utterly insane position for you to hold and I would have expected more from the lead executive. This server is called total freedom and that very ideal you're espousing goes wholly against the very meaning of freedom. Do you think that just because a large amount of people complain about something that, that in turn means it must be acted upon? If the majority of people in the US think they should Nuke North Korea, do you think the government should exact that because "oh well the majority". You're deflecting blame from yourself for an action that you carried out, others can talk about something but you're the one that launched that nuke not the individuals who complained. How can you sit here and say "I don't have to explain the reasons" when this thread is literally about should he be let back as an admin or not? You think the community here should make a decision without being told the actual reasoning behind that decision? That's so fucking stupid I don't even know what else to say. And finally nice personal attack that was uncalled for and is dumb as bricks. If I wanted everything to be a revelation then I wouldn't be on a minecraft server my dude. What I do see is a blatant disregard for the rules of this server unilaterally carried out by you and I'm gonna call it as I see it. Like I said before, the application and applicant was obviously a troll, that plus the number reports of that applicant trolling in-game (from both seniors and other admins) certainly points to the abuse of power instead. and yes obviously it was unprecedented because seniors should know better. He is and has always been allowed to that decision, I am not saying I was correct, just that at the time I made the decision to the best of my knowledge. |
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Dec 1, 2018 3:10:23 GMT
But you can suspend someone on the premise of what you don't know? This suspension was entirely based on conjecture on your point. That makes literally no sense, and had I not been in the middle of nowhere at the time I would have voiced my opinion on the situation. Your argument here makes literally no sense though, you're saying that because a wrong may have happened in the past there's no point in fixing a mistake because "oh well that's in the past"? If someone goes to jail for a murder they didn't commit and a few months later it's shown the evidence on which they were convicted was null & void, then we should simply let them rot in jail because a decision was made at the time? That is an utterly insane position for you to hold and I would have expected more from the lead executive. This server is called total freedom and that very ideal you're espousing goes wholly against the very meaning of freedom. Do you think that just because a large amount of people complain about something that, that in turn means it must be acted upon? If the majority of people in the US think they should Nuke North Korea, do you think the government should exact that because "oh well the majority". You're deflecting blame from yourself for an action that you carried out, others can talk about something but you're the one that launched that nuke not the individuals who complained. How can you sit here and say "I don't have to explain the reasons" when this thread is literally about should he be let back as an admin or not? You think the community here should make a decision without being told the actual reasoning behind that decision? That's so fucking stupid I don't even know what else to say. And finally nice personal attack that was uncalled for and is dumb as bricks. If I wanted everything to be a revelation then I wouldn't be on a minecraft server my dude. What I do see is a blatant disregard for the rules of this server unilaterally carried out by you and I'm gonna call it as I see it. Like I said before, the application and applicant was obviously a troll, that plus the number reports of that applicant trolling in-game (from both seniors and other admins) certainly points to the abuse of power instead. and yes obviously it was unprecedented because seniors should know better. Abuse of power, yet it was in my right and accusations of breaking a rule are conjecture. |
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Post by mibbzz on Dec 1, 2018 3:56:46 GMT
But you can suspend someone on the premise of what you don't know? This suspension was entirely based on conjecture on your point. That makes literally no sense, and had I not been in the middle of nowhere at the time I would have voiced my opinion on the situation. Your argument here makes literally no sense though, you're saying that because a wrong may have happened in the past there's no point in fixing a mistake because "oh well that's in the past"? If someone goes to jail for a murder they didn't commit and a few months later it's shown the evidence on which they were convicted was null & void, then we should simply let them rot in jail because a decision was made at the time? That is an utterly insane position for you to hold and I would have expected more from the lead executive. This server is called total freedom and that very ideal you're espousing goes wholly against the very meaning of freedom. Do you think that just because a large amount of people complain about something that, that in turn means it must be acted upon? If the majority of people in the US think they should Nuke North Korea, do you think the government should exact that because "oh well the majority". You're deflecting blame from yourself for an action that you carried out, others can talk about something but you're the one that launched that nuke not the individuals who complained. How can you sit here and say "I don't have to explain the reasons" when this thread is literally about should he be let back as an admin or not? You think the community here should make a decision without being told the actual reasoning behind that decision? That's so fucking stupid I don't even know what else to say. And finally nice personal attack that was uncalled for and is dumb as bricks. If I wanted everything to be a revelation then I wouldn't be on a minecraft server my dude. What I do see is a blatant disregard for the rules of this server unilaterally carried out by you and I'm gonna call it as I see it. Like I said before, the application and applicant was obviously a troll, that plus the number reports of that applicant trolling in-game (from both seniors and other admins) certainly points to the abuse of power instead. and yes obviously it was unprecedented because seniors should know better. He is and has always been allowed to that decision, I am not saying I was correct, just that at the time I made the decision to the best of my knowledge. Again, just conjecture on your part. You have 0 proof to back the malicious claims you are making about Wilee. Instead of proof you acted out on an emotional level, using an admittedly unprecedented rule, to suspend a charter admin that's been part of this server far longer than almost, if not, anyone that's still active today. It's ridiculous by any account. When you're questioned on this though, you resort to personal attacks ( to which you've now edited out) and a failure to explain your own actions, even going as far as to say "I don't have to explain the reasons". Now, if you can point out in the rules or guidelines where it states that a SPaS candidate having been reported in turn means the individual that SPaS'd them is at fault, and therefore culpable, I would love to see it. Because through all the suspensions of individuals SPaS'd I've ever seen, which has been a lot, I have not once seen the individual who did the SPaS face any sort of punishment in return for their actions. This again is an unprecedented action on your part, to which the count of is 3. This, you stating wilee had to be the one to train them, and the enforcement of a rule never before used without sufficient evidence to back up said suspension. That all aside though, how can you suspend someone on unjust terms, attempt to defend it in this thread and then literally say "I am not saying I was correct". If there is even a sliver of a doubt you were incorrect then you should reverse your decision, not simply add him back to a lower rank. You making a decision at the time, even if to the best of your knowledge, with no proof is still a suspension with no proof. That's as straight cut as it comes. Were any other player, in other rank, to act the way you have and are, they would be called out for it by almost everyone on the server and would be punished for it. It's simple as that. You could not, and you did not, determine that Wilee acted in bad faith, because you have no proof for such an assertion. You acted on an emotional view of the situation and I'm sorry but facts don't care about your feels my dude. I would like to thank you for ignoring the majority of points I make though. Also have also broken the Admin Suspension Procedures by adding Wilee back to admin, when the final authority falls to Windows, as the owner. Seeing as Wilee is a charter admin, the highest "rank" one can even have short of an executive position, I think by all accounts this falls under the category of "for higher ranking admins". |
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Post by Caufas4096 on Dec 1, 2018 5:19:27 GMT
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